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  #21  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 12.49.59
Martin
 
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Predefinito Re: mobile phone costs in the EU

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:40:43 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:24:47 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:30:49 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >Looks like they got in early then. Does the cap include VAT in the 49
>> >> >cents?
>> >>
>> >> No it excludes VAT. See EU site below.
>> >
>> >OK- so that would make the price in line with the recommendation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> EU site says end of August 2007 (in a complicated sort of way).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [url]http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/roaming/consumer/better[/url]
>> >> _deal/index_en.htm
>> >>
>> >> "How soon can I benefit from a Eurotariff?
>> >>
>> >> * Expect to receive an offer from your operator for a roaming
>> >> Eurotariff by the end of July 2007.
>> >> * If you accept, your operator has to activate the Eurotariff
>> >> within one month
>> >> * If you don't react by the end of September 2007, your operator will
>> >> automatically place you on a Eurotariff, unless you have a special roaming
>> >> package.
>> >
>> >In the case of Tesco (which is only prepaid- no contracts) there was no
>> >offer-[/color]
>>
>> It's not the end of July 2007 yet.[/color]
>
>But there's not going to be an offer from Tesco. They simply changed
>their roaming tarrif to the lower rate. So, it's not working quite like
>the EU regulations state, but as it benefits the consumer, I daresay it
>doesn't matter.
>
>I notice that the poster who mentioned the SIM with free incoming hasn't
>posted back...
>[color=green]
>> I think Tesco uses O2?[/color]
>
>Yes- that's right.
>[color=green]
>> When we wanted to buy
>> prepaid Tesco SIM card earlier this year, we were offered O2 cards.[/color]
>
>Same coverage obviously, but O2 prices are more complicated. (Tesco
>shops are the best place to buy the SIMs- most high street phone shops
>don't carry them.) Do you remember how much it cost?[/color]

The O2 cards were bought for us in Tesco by my daughter, it was Tesco who sold
her O2 cards when she asked for Tesco cards.
[color=blue]
>
>I liked Tesco's simplicity. Same price (9p) for landlines, mobiles, even
>0845/0870 numbers, which you can also use to call landlines abroad. (I
>think some O2 plans used to charge the same for 0870 as well.)[/color]

I suspect, but can't be bothered to check that Tesco and O2 charge the same? :-)


[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >and I wouldn't have expected one given their very transparent
>> >pricing structure. It looks like the non-EU prices are the same as
>> >before,[/color]
>>
>> Yes.
>>[color=darkred]
>> >and I've not heard about the domestic price going up.[/color]
>>
>> I find it hard to tell what Vodafone charge. As Vodafone UK have
>> terminated all our SIM cards except one, because they weren't used for
>> half a year, we won't be using Vodafone any more. O2 is far cheaper than
>> Vodafone for calls within UK and for calls from UK to NL.[/color]
>
>Unfortunately, all the main mobile companies make it very hard to see
>what their prices actually are. I find this with foreign websites too-
>you usually have to wade through a few pages until you get information,
>and there are often so many terms and conditions to the prices.[/color]

I was hoping that the EU would tackle and solve this too.
[color=blue]
>
>I think a lot of people just take out contracts in the UK because they
>get subsidised shiny new phones...[/color]

Certainly that is true of my son. New phone and then months of him complaining
about Vodafone ripping him off followed by another new phone and then ... , in
the meantime we get ripped off too every time we phone him.
Somebody has to pay for Vodafone's F1 sponsorship :-)
--

Martin

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  #22  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 13.13.25
David Horne, _the_ chancellor
 
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Predefinito Re: mobile phone costs in the EU

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:40:43 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[/color][/color]
[][color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> When we wanted to buy
> >> prepaid Tesco SIM card earlier this year, we were offered O2 cards.[/color]
> >
> >Same coverage obviously, but O2 prices are more complicated. (Tesco
> >shops are the best place to buy the SIMs- most high street phone shops
> >don't carry them.) Do you remember how much it cost?[/color]
>
> The O2 cards were bought for us in Tesco by my daughter, it was Tesco who sold
> her O2 cards when she asked for Tesco cards.[/color]

I hope they said they were out of the Tesco ones then as they're
definitely not the same, in terms of pricing. It would be like asking
for a Virgin SIM and being given a T-mobile one. O2 have several plans,
which are complicated to figure out in some cases- Tesco has standard,
extra, and value (value is also a different SIM to standard or extra.)

Basically, stanadard is 20p a minute, 10p texts. 10p (5p) to three
favourite numbers- no minimum top-up. GPRS £4 MB

Extra is 10p a minute to any number, but requires £15 minimum monthly
top up (for which you're charged only £13.50 if you have an auto-topup.)
GPRS £4 MB texts 5p

Value is 15p a minute to any number- no minimum. text 5p (or GPRS)

Based on the experience of buying a phone from Tesco, they don't know
very much about what they're selling anyway. You're daughter's lucky she
didn't get given a cucumber!
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> >
> >I liked Tesco's simplicity. Same price (9p) for landlines, mobiles, even
> >0845/0870 numbers, which you can also use to call landlines abroad. (I
> >think some O2 plans used to charge the same for 0870 as well.)[/color]
>
> I suspect, but can't be bothered to check that Tesco and O2 charge the[/color]
same? :-)

Unfortunately not- O2 have lots of different plans, none like Tesco's.
An 0845/0870 number for example costs 25p- other mobile networks will
cost 40p. They've got various allowances etc. which complicate things
more. You would have paid 40p to call your son's vodafone mobile, for
example. On Tesco, that would have been 10-20p, depending what plan you
had, as mentioned above. Maybe there's a plan similar to Tesco- but
they've got a lot- hard to tell!

[][color=blue][color=green]
> >I think a lot of people just take out contracts in the UK because they
> >get subsidised shiny new phones...[/color]
>
> Certainly that is true of my son. New phone and then months of him complaining
> about Vodafone ripping him off followed by another new phone and then ... , in
> the meantime we get ripped off too every time we phone him.
> Somebody has to pay for Vodafone's F1 sponsorship :-)[/color]

And the amount they all paid for their 3g licenses! Most people IME,
even people who think they use the mobile a lot, are better off on a
simple prepaid plan. The only time when I thought a mobile contract was
worth it was when Orange still allowed free 0800 calls- so I'd use
calling cards to make cheap calls via an 0800 number during the day, and
the inclusive minutes at night!

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
[url]http://www.davidhorne.net[/url] - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
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  #23  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 13.13.25
David Horne, _the_ chancellor
 
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Predefinito Re: mobile phone costs in the EU

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:40:43 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[/color][/color]
[][color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> When we wanted to buy
> >> prepaid Tesco SIM card earlier this year, we were offered O2 cards.[/color]
> >
> >Same coverage obviously, but O2 prices are more complicated. (Tesco
> >shops are the best place to buy the SIMs- most high street phone shops
> >don't carry them.) Do you remember how much it cost?[/color]
>
> The O2 cards were bought for us in Tesco by my daughter, it was Tesco who sold
> her O2 cards when she asked for Tesco cards.[/color]

I hope they said they were out of the Tesco ones then as they're
definitely not the same, in terms of pricing. It would be like asking
for a Virgin SIM and being given a T-mobile one. O2 have several plans,
which are complicated to figure out in some cases- Tesco has standard,
extra, and value (value is also a different SIM to standard or extra.)

Basically, stanadard is 20p a minute, 10p texts. 10p (5p) to three
favourite numbers- no minimum top-up. GPRS £4 MB

Extra is 10p a minute to any number, but requires £15 minimum monthly
top up (for which you're charged only £13.50 if you have an auto-topup.)
GPRS £4 MB texts 5p

Value is 15p a minute to any number- no minimum. text 5p (or GPRS)

Based on the experience of buying a phone from Tesco, they don't know
very much about what they're selling anyway. You're daughter's lucky she
didn't get given a cucumber!
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> >
> >I liked Tesco's simplicity. Same price (9p) for landlines, mobiles, even
> >0845/0870 numbers, which you can also use to call landlines abroad. (I
> >think some O2 plans used to charge the same for 0870 as well.)[/color]
>
> I suspect, but can't be bothered to check that Tesco and O2 charge the[/color]
same? :-)

Unfortunately not- O2 have lots of different plans, none like Tesco's.
An 0845/0870 number for example costs 25p- other mobile networks will
cost 40p. They've got various allowances etc. which complicate things
more. You would have paid 40p to call your son's vodafone mobile, for
example. On Tesco, that would have been 10-20p, depending what plan you
had, as mentioned above. Maybe there's a plan similar to Tesco- but
they've got a lot- hard to tell!

[][color=blue][color=green]
> >I think a lot of people just take out contracts in the UK because they
> >get subsidised shiny new phones...[/color]
>
> Certainly that is true of my son. New phone and then months of him complaining
> about Vodafone ripping him off followed by another new phone and then ... , in
> the meantime we get ripped off too every time we phone him.
> Somebody has to pay for Vodafone's F1 sponsorship :-)[/color]

And the amount they all paid for their 3g licenses! Most people IME,
even people who think they use the mobile a lot, are better off on a
simple prepaid plan. The only time when I thought a mobile contract was
worth it was when Orange still allowed free 0800 calls- so I'd use
calling cards to make cheap calls via an 0800 number during the day, and
the inclusive minutes at night!

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
[url]http://www.davidhorne.net[/url] - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
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  #24  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 13.28.24
Martin
 
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Predefinito Re: mobile phone costs in the EU

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:13:25 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:40:43 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[/color][/color]
>[][color=green][color=darkred]
>> >> When we wanted to buy
>> >> prepaid Tesco SIM card earlier this year, we were offered O2 cards.
>> >
>> >Same coverage obviously, but O2 prices are more complicated. (Tesco
>> >shops are the best place to buy the SIMs- most high street phone shops
>> >don't carry them.) Do you remember how much it cost?[/color]
>>
>> The O2 cards were bought for us in Tesco by my daughter, it was Tesco who sold
>> her O2 cards when she asked for Tesco cards.[/color]
>
>I hope they said they were out of the Tesco ones then as they're
>definitely not the same, in terms of pricing. It would be like asking
>for a Virgin SIM and being given a T-mobile one. O2 have several plans,
>which are complicated to figure out in some cases- Tesco has standard,
>extra, and value (value is also a different SIM to standard or extra.)
>
>Basically, stanadard is 20p a minute, 10p texts. 10p (5p) to three
>favourite numbers- no minimum top-up. GPRS £4 MB
>
>Extra is 10p a minute to any number, but requires £15 minimum monthly
>top up (for which you're charged only £13.50 if you have an auto-topup.)
>GPRS £4 MB texts 5p
>
>Value is 15p a minute to any number- no minimum. text 5p (or GPRS)
>
>Based on the experience of buying a phone from Tesco, they don't know
>very much about what they're selling anyway. You're daughter's lucky she
>didn't get given a cucumber! [/color]

A "locally produced" Dutch cucumber at that :-)
[color=blue][color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >I liked Tesco's simplicity. Same price (9p) for landlines, mobiles, even
>> >0845/0870 numbers, which you can also use to call landlines abroad. (I
>> >think some O2 plans used to charge the same for 0870 as well.)[/color]
>>
>> I suspect, but can't be bothered to check that Tesco and O2 charge the[/color]
>same? :-)
>
>Unfortunately not- O2 have lots of different plans, none like Tesco's.
>An 0845/0870 number for example costs 25p- other mobile networks will
>cost 40p. They've got various allowances etc. which complicate things
>more. You would have paid 40p to call your son's vodafone mobile, for
>example. On Tesco, that would have been 10-20p, depending what plan you
>had, as mentioned above. Maybe there's a plan similar to Tesco- but
>they've got a lot- hard to tell!
>
>[][color=green][color=darkred]
>> >I think a lot of people just take out contracts in the UK because they
>> >get subsidised shiny new phones...[/color]
>>
>> Certainly that is true of my son. New phone and then months of him complaining
>> about Vodafone ripping him off followed by another new phone and then ... , in
>> the meantime we get ripped off too every time we phone him.
>> Somebody has to pay for Vodafone's F1 sponsorship :-)[/color]
>
>And the amount they all paid for their 3g licenses! Most people IME,
>even people who think they use the mobile a lot, are better off on a
>simple prepaid plan.[/color]

Most are better off only using a mobile phone when it is essential :-)
[color=blue]
>The only time when I thought a mobile contract was
>worth it was when Orange still allowed free 0800 calls- so I'd use
>calling cards to make cheap calls via an 0800 number during the day, and
>the inclusive minutes at night! [/color]

LOL

My daughter has been badly ripped off by a Sky Internet contract. First the
service is totally unreliable, secondly she was offered by phone unlimited
downloads for GBP5 a month as part of a Sky Phone TV Internet package. She is
being charged GBP17 a month just for the Internet with a cap of 40MB. I tried to
sort out her Internet lack of reliability, whilst we were staying with her last
week. The router that comes with the package is almost too hot to touch, another
**** Amstrad product. The spec says it shouldn't operate in an environment with
a temperature of >40C.
The help desk led my daughter through turning off all the security features in
her PC and Internet was still unreliable, they then told her that her PC must be
defective. I googled on Internet and found hundreds of complaints about Sky
Internet. I found it amazing that the terms and conditions were provided only
after setting up a Sky e-mail account.
--

Martin

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  #25  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 13.28.24
Martin
 
Messaggi: n/a
Predefinito Re: mobile phone costs in the EU

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:13:25 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:40:43 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[/color][/color]
>[][color=green][color=darkred]
>> >> When we wanted to buy
>> >> prepaid Tesco SIM card earlier this year, we were offered O2 cards.
>> >
>> >Same coverage obviously, but O2 prices are more complicated. (Tesco
>> >shops are the best place to buy the SIMs- most high street phone shops
>> >don't carry them.) Do you remember how much it cost?[/color]
>>
>> The O2 cards were bought for us in Tesco by my daughter, it was Tesco who sold
>> her O2 cards when she asked for Tesco cards.[/color]
>
>I hope they said they were out of the Tesco ones then as they're
>definitely not the same, in terms of pricing. It would be like asking
>for a Virgin SIM and being given a T-mobile one. O2 have several plans,
>which are complicated to figure out in some cases- Tesco has standard,
>extra, and value (value is also a different SIM to standard or extra.)
>
>Basically, stanadard is 20p a minute, 10p texts. 10p (5p) to three
>favourite numbers- no minimum top-up. GPRS £4 MB
>
>Extra is 10p a minute to any number, but requires £15 minimum monthly
>top up (for which you're charged only £13.50 if you have an auto-topup.)
>GPRS £4 MB texts 5p
>
>Value is 15p a minute to any number- no minimum. text 5p (or GPRS)
>
>Based on the experience of buying a phone from Tesco, they don't know
>very much about what they're selling anyway. You're daughter's lucky she
>didn't get given a cucumber! [/color]

A "locally produced" Dutch cucumber at that :-)
[color=blue][color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >I liked Tesco's simplicity. Same price (9p) for landlines, mobiles, even
>> >0845/0870 numbers, which you can also use to call landlines abroad. (I
>> >think some O2 plans used to charge the same for 0870 as well.)[/color]
>>
>> I suspect, but can't be bothered to check that Tesco and O2 charge the[/color]
>same? :-)
>
>Unfortunately not- O2 have lots of different plans, none like Tesco's.
>An 0845/0870 number for example costs 25p- other mobile networks will
>cost 40p. They've got various allowances etc. which complicate things
>more. You would have paid 40p to call your son's vodafone mobile, for
>example. On Tesco, that would have been 10-20p, depending what plan you
>had, as mentioned above. Maybe there's a plan similar to Tesco- but
>they've got a lot- hard to tell!
>
>[][color=green][color=darkred]
>> >I think a lot of people just take out contracts in the UK because they
>> >get subsidised shiny new phones...[/color]
>>
>> Certainly that is true of my son. New phone and then months of him complaining
>> about Vodafone ripping him off followed by another new phone and then ... , in
>> the meantime we get ripped off too every time we phone him.
>> Somebody has to pay for Vodafone's F1 sponsorship :-)[/color]
>
>And the amount they all paid for their 3g licenses! Most people IME,
>even people who think they use the mobile a lot, are better off on a
>simple prepaid plan.[/color]

Most are better off only using a mobile phone when it is essential :-)
[color=blue]
>The only time when I thought a mobile contract was
>worth it was when Orange still allowed free 0800 calls- so I'd use
>calling cards to make cheap calls via an 0800 number during the day, and
>the inclusive minutes at night! [/color]

LOL

My daughter has been badly ripped off by a Sky Internet contract. First the
service is totally unreliable, secondly she was offered by phone unlimited
downloads for GBP5 a month as part of a Sky Phone TV Internet package. She is
being charged GBP17 a month just for the Internet with a cap of 40MB. I tried to
sort out her Internet lack of reliability, whilst we were staying with her last
week. The router that comes with the package is almost too hot to touch, another
**** Amstrad product. The spec says it shouldn't operate in an environment with
a temperature of >40C.
The help desk led my daughter through turning off all the security features in
her PC and Internet was still unreliable, they then told her that her PC must be
defective. I googled on Internet and found hundreds of complaints about Sky
Internet. I found it amazing that the terms and conditions were provided only
after setting up a Sky e-mail account.
--

Martin

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  #26  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 13.46.34
David Horne, _the_ chancellor
 
Messaggi: n/a
Predefinito Re: mobile phone costs in the EU

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:13:25 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
[][color=blue][color=green]
> >And the amount they all paid for their 3g licenses! Most people IME,
> >even people who think they use the mobile a lot, are better off on a
> >simple prepaid plan.[/color]
>
> Most are better off only using a mobile phone when it is essential :-)[/color]

Yes- I think that's why prepaid is better, because people feel they
don't need to use the phone just to get their money's worth. I
frequently don't answer my mobile- if I'm walking down the street or in
a fairly noisy environment I generally don't want to have to talk to
someone.
[color=blue][color=green]
> >The only time when I thought a mobile contract was
> >worth it was when Orange still allowed free 0800 calls- so I'd use
> >calling cards to make cheap calls via an 0800 number during the day, and
> >the inclusive minutes at night! [/color]
>
> LOL
>
> My daughter has been badly ripped off by a Sky Internet contract. First the
> service is totally unreliable, secondly she was offered by phone unlimited
> downloads for GBP5 a month as part of a Sky Phone TV Internet package. She is
> being charged GBP17 a month just for the Internet with a cap of 40MB.[/color]

40MB? wow.
[color=blue]
> I tried to sort out her Internet lack of reliability, whilst we were
> staying with her last week. The router that comes with the package is
> almost too hot to touch, another **** Amstrad product. The spec says it
> shouldn't operate in an environment with a temperature of >40C. The help
> desk led my daughter through turning off all the security features in her
> PC and Internet was still unreliable, they then told her that her PC must
> be defective. I googled on Internet and found hundreds of complaints about
> Sky Internet. I found it amazing that the terms and conditions were
> provided only after setting up a Sky e-mail account.[/color]

I'd considered getting Sky broadband for £5 (with their TV package)
because when we first moved into the new flat, I couldn't get most of
the digital channels via the communal aerial. I asked on a UK tv
newsgroup, and I got a lot of long responses about the faulty aerial
etc. I eventually decided to buy a HD recorder with twin digital
receivers, plugged it into the aerial- and got all the digital stations!
(My old receiver must have been damaged or something in transit.)

There was a news report earlier this week about UK broadband being
generally slower and more expensive than many other countries. That
said, at least it's a service which generally goes down in price and
gets faster, rather than the other way around!

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
[url]http://www.davidhorne.net[/url] - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
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Vecchio 18-07-2007, 13.46.34
David Horne, _the_ chancellor
 
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Predefinito Re: mobile phone costs in the EU

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:13:25 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
[][color=blue][color=green]
> >And the amount they all paid for their 3g licenses! Most people IME,
> >even people who think they use the mobile a lot, are better off on a
> >simple prepaid plan.[/color]
>
> Most are better off only using a mobile phone when it is essential :-)[/color]

Yes- I think that's why prepaid is better, because people feel they
don't need to use the phone just to get their money's worth. I
frequently don't answer my mobile- if I'm walking down the street or in
a fairly noisy environment I generally don't want to have to talk to
someone.
[color=blue][color=green]
> >The only time when I thought a mobile contract was
> >worth it was when Orange still allowed free 0800 calls- so I'd use
> >calling cards to make cheap calls via an 0800 number during the day, and
> >the inclusive minutes at night! [/color]
>
> LOL
>
> My daughter has been badly ripped off by a Sky Internet contract. First the
> service is totally unreliable, secondly she was offered by phone unlimited
> downloads for GBP5 a month as part of a Sky Phone TV Internet package. She is
> being charged GBP17 a month just for the Internet with a cap of 40MB.[/color]

40MB? wow.
[color=blue]
> I tried to sort out her Internet lack of reliability, whilst we were
> staying with her last week. The router that comes with the package is
> almost too hot to touch, another **** Amstrad product. The spec says it
> shouldn't operate in an environment with a temperature of >40C. The help
> desk led my daughter through turning off all the security features in her
> PC and Internet was still unreliable, they then told her that her PC must
> be defective. I googled on Internet and found hundreds of complaints about
> Sky Internet. I found it amazing that the terms and conditions were
> provided only after setting up a Sky e-mail account.[/color]

I'd considered getting Sky broadband for £5 (with their TV package)
because when we first moved into the new flat, I couldn't get most of
the digital channels via the communal aerial. I asked on a UK tv
newsgroup, and I got a lot of long responses about the faulty aerial
etc. I eventually decided to buy a HD recorder with twin digital
receivers, plugged it into the aerial- and got all the digital stations!
(My old receiver must have been damaged or something in transit.)

There was a news report earlier this week about UK broadband being
generally slower and more expensive than many other countries. That
said, at least it's a service which generally goes down in price and
gets faster, rather than the other way around!

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[url]http://www.davidhorne.net[/url] - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
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Vecchio 18-07-2007, 19.29.55
Martin
 
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Predefinito Re: mobile phone costs in the EU

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:46:34 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:13:25 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
>[][color=green][color=darkred]
>> >And the amount they all paid for their 3g licenses! Most people IME,
>> >even people who think they use the mobile a lot, are better off on a
>> >simple prepaid plan.[/color]
>>
>> Most are better off only using a mobile phone when it is essential :-)[/color]
>
>Yes- I think that's why prepaid is better, because people feel they
>don't need to use the phone just to get their money's worth. I
>frequently don't answer my mobile- if I'm walking down the street or in
>a fairly noisy environment I generally don't want to have to talk to
>someone.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >The only time when I thought a mobile contract was
>> >worth it was when Orange still allowed free 0800 calls- so I'd use
>> >calling cards to make cheap calls via an 0800 number during the day, and
>> >the inclusive minutes at night! [/color]
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> My daughter has been badly ripped off by a Sky Internet contract. First the
>> service is totally unreliable, secondly she was offered by phone unlimited
>> downloads for GBP5 a month as part of a Sky Phone TV Internet package. She is
>> being charged GBP17 a month just for the Internet with a cap of 40MB.[/color]
>
>40MB? wow.
>[color=green]
>> I tried to sort out her Internet lack of reliability, whilst we were
>> staying with her last week. The router that comes with the package is
>> almost too hot to touch, another **** Amstrad product. The spec says it
>> shouldn't operate in an environment with a temperature of >40C. The help
>> desk led my daughter through turning off all the security features in her
>> PC and Internet was still unreliable, they then told her that her PC must
>> be defective. I googled on Internet and found hundreds of complaints about
>> Sky Internet. I found it amazing that the terms and conditions were
>> provided only after setting up a Sky e-mail account.[/color]
>
>I'd considered getting Sky broadband for £5 (with their TV package)
>because when we first moved into the new flat, I couldn't get most of
>the digital channels via the communal aerial. I asked on a UK tv
>newsgroup, and I got a lot of long responses about the faulty aerial
>etc. I eventually decided to buy a HD recorder with twin digital
>receivers, plugged it into the aerial- and got all the digital stations!
> (My old receiver must have been damaged or something in transit.)
>
>There was a news report earlier this week about UK broadband being
>generally slower and more expensive than many other countries. That
>said, at least it's a service which generally goes down in price and
>gets faster, rather than the other way around! [/color]

When Sky's broad band is working it is at least as fats as in NL, but it drops
out all the time. On two days last week Friday and Saturday it worked perfectly
for more than 14 hours each day since then it has been dropping out every five
or ten minutes. To get it running again one has to do a housewife's reset, i.e
power the router off and on. Interestingly when the browsing just hung, mail
with SMTP worked normally. I think this suggests that Sky's web server
overloads.
--

Martin

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Vecchio 18-07-2007, 19.29.55
Martin
 
Messaggi: n/a
Predefinito Re: mobile phone costs in the EU

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:46:34 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:13:25 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
>[][color=green][color=darkred]
>> >And the amount they all paid for their 3g licenses! Most people IME,
>> >even people who think they use the mobile a lot, are better off on a
>> >simple prepaid plan.[/color]
>>
>> Most are better off only using a mobile phone when it is essential :-)[/color]
>
>Yes- I think that's why prepaid is better, because people feel they
>don't need to use the phone just to get their money's worth. I
>frequently don't answer my mobile- if I'm walking down the street or in
>a fairly noisy environment I generally don't want to have to talk to
>someone.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >The only time when I thought a mobile contract was
>> >worth it was when Orange still allowed free 0800 calls- so I'd use
>> >calling cards to make cheap calls via an 0800 number during the day, and
>> >the inclusive minutes at night! [/color]
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> My daughter has been badly ripped off by a Sky Internet contract. First the
>> service is totally unreliable, secondly she was offered by phone unlimited
>> downloads for GBP5 a month as part of a Sky Phone TV Internet package. She is
>> being charged GBP17 a month just for the Internet with a cap of 40MB.[/color]
>
>40MB? wow.
>[color=green]
>> I tried to sort out her Internet lack of reliability, whilst we were
>> staying with her last week. The router that comes with the package is
>> almost too hot to touch, another **** Amstrad product. The spec says it
>> shouldn't operate in an environment with a temperature of >40C. The help
>> desk led my daughter through turning off all the security features in her
>> PC and Internet was still unreliable, they then told her that her PC must
>> be defective. I googled on Internet and found hundreds of complaints about
>> Sky Internet. I found it amazing that the terms and conditions were
>> provided only after setting up a Sky e-mail account.[/color]
>
>I'd considered getting Sky broadband for £5 (with their TV package)
>because when we first moved into the new flat, I couldn't get most of
>the digital channels via the communal aerial. I asked on a UK tv
>newsgroup, and I got a lot of long responses about the faulty aerial
>etc. I eventually decided to buy a HD recorder with twin digital
>receivers, plugged it into the aerial- and got all the digital stations!
> (My old receiver must have been damaged or something in transit.)
>
>There was a news report earlier this week about UK broadband being
>generally slower and more expensive than many other countries. That
>said, at least it's a service which generally goes down in price and
>gets faster, rather than the other way around! [/color]

When Sky's broad band is working it is at least as fats as in NL, but it drops
out all the time. On two days last week Friday and Saturday it worked perfectly
for more than 14 hours each day since then it has been dropping out every five
or ten minutes. To get it running again one has to do a housewife's reset, i.e
power the router off and on. Interestingly when the browsing just hung, mail
with SMTP worked normally. I think this suggests that Sky's web server
overloads.
--

Martin

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Vecchio 18-07-2007, 19.35.22
David Horne, _the_ chancellor
 
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Predefinito Re: mobile phone costs in the EU

Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:46:34 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
[][color=blue][color=green]
> >There was a news report earlier this week about UK broadband being
> >generally slower and more expensive than many other countries. That
> >said, at least it's a service which generally goes down in price and
> >gets faster, rather than the other way around! [/color]
>
> When Sky's broad band is working it is at least as fats as in NL, but it
> drops out all the time. On two days last week Friday and Saturday it
> worked perfectly for more than 14 hours each day since then it has been
> dropping out every five or ten minutes. To get it running again one has to
> do a housewife's reset, i.e power the router off and on. Interestingly
> when the browsing just hung, mail with SMTP worked normally. I think this
> suggests that Sky's web server overloads.[/color]

Something is wrong with that service. My service is fine in terms of
reliabilityt, but there is congestion at the exchange, and every time
there is a date set for a fix, it is passed and then another date set.
This has gone on since early June. I just did a check and only got 267KB
down/ 47KB up, where as I should be able to get around 700KB down, and
usually do late in the evening, or earlier in the morning.

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
[url]http://www.davidhorne.net[/url] - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
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