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  #21  
Vecchio 16-07-2007, 20.00.39
David Horne, _the_ chancellor
 
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Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
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> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:39:43 GMT, "William Black"
> <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >
> >"The Reid" <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:sepm93toplku154in8mgufh6hqghjctff2@4ax.com...
> >[color=darkred]
> >> my view is lets tread softly
> >> while people get used to the idea of the ban.[/color]
> >
> >That seems very unlike you somehow...[/color]
>
> He's waiting for his case to come up. It wasn't even a very convincing
> imitation of a doctor.[/color]

It was hardly meant to be.

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  #22  
Vecchio 16-07-2007, 20.00.54
nightjar
 
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"The Reid" <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sepm93toplku154in8mgufh6hqghjctff2@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Following up to [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Feelings are running high it seems about being thrown out in the
>>> cold/wet so avoid that new table and parasol just outside the door,
>>> its not meant for you![/color]
>>
>>If it's just outside the door in a way that the smoke blows into the
>>pub, you could complain about it. I'm considering making a complaint
>>about one place like that.[/color]
>
> Carol tells me it should be 15m away, my view is lets tread softly
> while people get used to the idea of the ban.[/color]

The only requirement for an outdoor smoking area is that it must not meet
the definitions of 'enclosed' or 'substantially enclosed'. There is no
requirement for it to be any minimum distance from a non-smoking area. Full
details of all the requirements are on [url]http://www.smokefreeengland.co.uk/[/url]

Colin Bignell


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  #23  
Vecchio 16-07-2007, 20.00.54
nightjar
 
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"The Reid" <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sepm93toplku154in8mgufh6hqghjctff2@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Following up to [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Feelings are running high it seems about being thrown out in the
>>> cold/wet so avoid that new table and parasol just outside the door,
>>> its not meant for you![/color]
>>
>>If it's just outside the door in a way that the smoke blows into the
>>pub, you could complain about it. I'm considering making a complaint
>>about one place like that.[/color]
>
> Carol tells me it should be 15m away, my view is lets tread softly
> while people get used to the idea of the ban.[/color]

The only requirement for an outdoor smoking area is that it must not meet
the definitions of 'enclosed' or 'substantially enclosed'. There is no
requirement for it to be any minimum distance from a non-smoking area. Full
details of all the requirements are on [url]http://www.smokefreeengland.co.uk/[/url]

Colin Bignell


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  #24  
Vecchio 16-07-2007, 20.14.40
Markku Grönroos
 
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"nightjar .uk.com>" <nightjar@<insert my surname here> kirjoitti
viestissä:QoKdnbBUhuGjOQbbnZ2dnUVZ8s-qnZ2d@giganews.com...[color=blue]
>
>
> The only requirement for an outdoor smoking area is that it must not meet
> the definitions of 'enclosed' or 'substantially enclosed'. There is no[/color]
So, when the publican keeps the outer door open, requirements for the
sufficient outdoor conditions are satisfied?

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  #25  
Vecchio 16-07-2007, 20.14.40
Markku Grönroos
 
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"nightjar .uk.com>" <nightjar@<insert my surname here> kirjoitti
viestissä:QoKdnbBUhuGjOQbbnZ2dnUVZ8s-qnZ2d@giganews.com...[color=blue]
>
>
> The only requirement for an outdoor smoking area is that it must not meet
> the definitions of 'enclosed' or 'substantially enclosed'. There is no[/color]
So, when the publican keeps the outer door open, requirements for the
sufficient outdoor conditions are satisfied?

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  #26  
Vecchio 16-07-2007, 20.24.17
Martin
 
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:38 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:17:43 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >The Reid <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Went in a pub in Devon at the weekend and sat just outside the door
>> >> for reasons wont bore you with. Then found some staff and regulars
>> >> being quite aggressive at sharing the space while smoking as its their
>> >> new smoking place. Whoops!
>> >> Feelings are running high it seems about being thrown out in the
>> >> cold/wet so avoid that new table and parasol just outside the door,
>> >> its not meant for you!
>> >
>> >If it's just outside the door in a way that the smoke blows into the
>> >pub, you could complain about it. I'm considering making a complaint
>> >about one place like that.[/color]
>>
>> You could complain about patients smoking immediately outside hospital
>> entrances.[/color]
>
>I probably would if I spent a lot of time in A&E![/color]

or loitering outside one :-)

My daughter remarked on the smell of stale tobacco smoke in pubs.
I noticed that on the Hull ferry the ceilings had been cleaned in the bars where
smoking is forbidden.
--

Martin

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  #27  
Vecchio 16-07-2007, 20.24.17
Martin
 
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:38 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:17:43 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >The Reid <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Went in a pub in Devon at the weekend and sat just outside the door
>> >> for reasons wont bore you with. Then found some staff and regulars
>> >> being quite aggressive at sharing the space while smoking as its their
>> >> new smoking place. Whoops!
>> >> Feelings are running high it seems about being thrown out in the
>> >> cold/wet so avoid that new table and parasol just outside the door,
>> >> its not meant for you!
>> >
>> >If it's just outside the door in a way that the smoke blows into the
>> >pub, you could complain about it. I'm considering making a complaint
>> >about one place like that.[/color]
>>
>> You could complain about patients smoking immediately outside hospital
>> entrances.[/color]
>
>I probably would if I spent a lot of time in A&E![/color]

or loitering outside one :-)

My daughter remarked on the smell of stale tobacco smoke in pubs.
I noticed that on the Hull ferry the ceilings had been cleaned in the bars where
smoking is forbidden.
--

Martin

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  #28  
Vecchio 16-07-2007, 20.26.53
Martin
 
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:39 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:39:43 GMT, "William Black"
>> <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >"The Reid" <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:sepm93toplku154in8mgufh6hqghjctff2@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >> my view is lets tread softly
>> >> while people get used to the idea of the ban.
>> >
>> >That seems very unlike you somehow...[/color]
>>
>> He's waiting for his case to come up. It wasn't even a very convincing
>> imitation of a doctor.[/color]
>
>It was hardly meant to be.[/color]

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooosssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh!
--

Martin

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  #29  
Vecchio 16-07-2007, 20.26.53
Martin
 
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:39 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:39:43 GMT, "William Black"
>> <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >"The Reid" <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >news:sepm93toplku154in8mgufh6hqghjctff2@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >> my view is lets tread softly
>> >> while people get used to the idea of the ban.
>> >
>> >That seems very unlike you somehow...[/color]
>>
>> He's waiting for his case to come up. It wasn't even a very convincing
>> imitation of a doctor.[/color]
>
>It was hardly meant to be.[/color]

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooosssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh!
--

Martin

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  #30  
Vecchio 16-07-2007, 20.36.02
Hatunen
 
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:24:17 +0200, Martin <me@address.invalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:38 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
[color=blue]
>My daughter remarked on the smell of stale tobacco smoke in pubs.
>I noticed that on the Hull ferry the ceilings had been cleaned in the bars where
>smoking is forbidden.[/color]

It's pretty hard to get rid of that tobacco smell completely, at
least enough that non-smokers can't smell it. But eventually
exposure to air seems to make it go away, but it's a long wait.



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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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