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Vecchio 12-04-2005, 05.23.56
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Predefinito KLM incident raises security questions

Homeland Security considers emergency amendment
Monday, April 11, 2005

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An incident in which U.S. officials refused to
allow a KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 747 to fly over the United States has
brought to light a potential hole in the nation's homeland security
safety net.

Currently, the United States requires international airlines to make
certain that passengers on flights to and from the United States are
not on a list of suspected terrorists. But no such check is required
if a plane is transiting -- flying over the country without landing.

But on Friday, U.S. authorities denied permission for KLM Flight 685
to transit U.S. airspace after hearing indirectly that two passengers
on the flight were on the "no-fly" list.

U.S. officials said they learned about the two people from Mexico,
where the plane was destined after taking off from Amsterdam.

The plane, which was in Canadian airspace when U.S. officials denied
entry, returned to the Netherlands. It had 278 people and 15 horses
onboard.

The incident irked KLM and Dutch officials, especially because, they
said the United States never requested an interview of the two
passengers and did not indicate why they were of interest. A KLM
official said that after returning to Amsterdam, the two men flew to
London and then back to their home countries.

A Dutch official told CNN the Netherlands will take the matter to the
European Union in Brussels to seek clarification about whether checks
of "no-fly" lists are required for flights transiting the United
States.

KLM officials said they are under no obligation to check passengers on
transiting planes against terror watch lists.

"In our interpretation, this was not a flight to or from the United
States. It was to Mexico," KLM spokesman Bart Koster said. The flight
"never had the intention to make a landing in the United States."

But KLM has now begun checking its passenger lists for flights flying
over the United States against the U.S. "no-fly" list to avoid
repeating last week's incident.

Koster also expressed irritation about the timing of the incident --
saying the United States was late in notifying KLM that it would not
permit the plane to transit.

U.S. officials said Mexico provided the names after accessing the KLM
list and comparing it with a list of suspected terrorists. Such
sharing of information is allowed under U.S.-Mexican security
agreements, they said.

An official with the Department of Homeland Security said the agency
is considering an emergency amendment that would require airlines to
check transiting flights' passenger manifests against the list.

In the meantime, the official said, if the United States determines
that a flight scheduled to fly over the country is carrying a
passenger on the "no-fly" list, it will be prohibited from entering
U.S. airspace.
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  #2  
Vecchio 12-04-2005, 09.42.15
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Predefinito Re: KLM incident raises security questions

All right, after a flight of around 10 hours or so, people with
criminal intent are still in shape and capable of doing their misdeeds?

Man.... These people are supermen, ordinary people would have been
really exhausted after the whole flight.

By the way, is there any horse that is in "no-fly" list? Maybe it's the
horses that are in the "no-fly" list?



Personally, I think that the intent of this latest K.L.M. incidents is
just one of the many attempts to defame the U.S.A.. With one of the
recent ones was the Air Transat incident.

It might be also possible that these two K.L.M. passengers are just
imaginary passengers, made up passengers that doesn't even exist in the
first place.

So... Please don't go antipathy toward the U.S.A. because of these
things, because if one did because these things, the people that are
responsible for these things would have achieved their goals.



Now... What we could do to avoid this sort of thing again?

- No flying over U.S.A.'s airspace even if you have no plan on landing
in U.S.A.'s ground.

- Before arriving in the U.S.A. after a long travel, make sure to land
first at one of the neighbouring countries (like Canada, Mexico, Cuba,
and so on) before continuing to the U.S.A..

- Deter all non-essential travel to the U.S.A, the Great Britain,
Australia, Canada, and so on due the extreme terror risk (like the
recent K.L.M. and Air Transat incidents) in these countries. Of course,
if you never been to DisneyWorld Florida and wanted to do so for the
experience, that's okay, it's an essential travel, just be noted that
you have been warned.

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Vecchio 12-04-2005, 09.42.15
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Predefinito Re: KLM incident raises security questions

All right, after a flight of around 10 hours or so, people with
criminal intent are still in shape and capable of doing their misdeeds?

Man.... These people are supermen, ordinary people would have been
really exhausted after the whole flight.

By the way, is there any horse that is in "no-fly" list? Maybe it's the
horses that are in the "no-fly" list?



Personally, I think that the intent of this latest K.L.M. incidents is
just one of the many attempts to defame the U.S.A.. With one of the
recent ones was the Air Transat incident.

It might be also possible that these two K.L.M. passengers are just
imaginary passengers, made up passengers that doesn't even exist in the
first place.

So... Please don't go antipathy toward the U.S.A. because of these
things, because if one did because these things, the people that are
responsible for these things would have achieved their goals.



Now... What we could do to avoid this sort of thing again?

- No flying over U.S.A.'s airspace even if you have no plan on landing
in U.S.A.'s ground.

- Before arriving in the U.S.A. after a long travel, make sure to land
first at one of the neighbouring countries (like Canada, Mexico, Cuba,
and so on) before continuing to the U.S.A..

- Deter all non-essential travel to the U.S.A, the Great Britain,
Australia, Canada, and so on due the extreme terror risk (like the
recent K.L.M. and Air Transat incidents) in these countries. Of course,
if you never been to DisneyWorld Florida and wanted to do so for the
experience, that's okay, it's an essential travel, just be noted that
you have been warned.

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Vecchio 12-04-2005, 09.42.15
digicross@hotmail.com
 
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Predefinito Re: KLM incident raises security questions

All right, after a flight of around 10 hours or so, people with
criminal intent are still in shape and capable of doing their misdeeds?

Man.... These people are supermen, ordinary people would have been
really exhausted after the whole flight.

By the way, is there any horse that is in "no-fly" list? Maybe it's the
horses that are in the "no-fly" list?



Personally, I think that the intent of this latest K.L.M. incidents is
just one of the many attempts to defame the U.S.A.. With one of the
recent ones was the Air Transat incident.

It might be also possible that these two K.L.M. passengers are just
imaginary passengers, made up passengers that doesn't even exist in the
first place.

So... Please don't go antipathy toward the U.S.A. because of these
things, because if one did because these things, the people that are
responsible for these things would have achieved their goals.



Now... What we could do to avoid this sort of thing again?

- No flying over U.S.A.'s airspace even if you have no plan on landing
in U.S.A.'s ground.

- Before arriving in the U.S.A. after a long travel, make sure to land
first at one of the neighbouring countries (like Canada, Mexico, Cuba,
and so on) before continuing to the U.S.A..

- Deter all non-essential travel to the U.S.A, the Great Britain,
Australia, Canada, and so on due the extreme terror risk (like the
recent K.L.M. and Air Transat incidents) in these countries. Of course,
if you never been to DisneyWorld Florida and wanted to do so for the
experience, that's okay, it's an essential travel, just be noted that
you have been warned.

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  #5  
Vecchio 12-04-2005, 09.42.15
digicross@hotmail.com
 
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Predefinito Re: KLM incident raises security questions

All right, after a flight of around 10 hours or so, people with
criminal intent are still in shape and capable of doing their misdeeds?

Man.... These people are supermen, ordinary people would have been
really exhausted after the whole flight.

By the way, is there any horse that is in "no-fly" list? Maybe it's the
horses that are in the "no-fly" list?



Personally, I think that the intent of this latest K.L.M. incidents is
just one of the many attempts to defame the U.S.A.. With one of the
recent ones was the Air Transat incident.

It might be also possible that these two K.L.M. passengers are just
imaginary passengers, made up passengers that doesn't even exist in the
first place.

So... Please don't go antipathy toward the U.S.A. because of these
things, because if one did because these things, the people that are
responsible for these things would have achieved their goals.



Now... What we could do to avoid this sort of thing again?

- No flying over U.S.A.'s airspace even if you have no plan on landing
in U.S.A.'s ground.

- Before arriving in the U.S.A. after a long travel, make sure to land
first at one of the neighbouring countries (like Canada, Mexico, Cuba,
and so on) before continuing to the U.S.A..

- Deter all non-essential travel to the U.S.A, the Great Britain,
Australia, Canada, and so on due the extreme terror risk (like the
recent K.L.M. and Air Transat incidents) in these countries. Of course,
if you never been to DisneyWorld Florida and wanted to do so for the
experience, that's okay, it's an essential travel, just be noted that
you have been warned.

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  #6  
Vecchio 12-04-2005, 09.42.15
digicross@hotmail.com
 
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Predefinito Re: KLM incident raises security questions

All right, after a flight of around 10 hours or so, people with
criminal intent are still in shape and capable of doing their misdeeds?

Man.... These people are supermen, ordinary people would have been
really exhausted after the whole flight.

By the way, is there any horse that is in "no-fly" list? Maybe it's the
horses that are in the "no-fly" list?



Personally, I think that the intent of this latest K.L.M. incidents is
just one of the many attempts to defame the U.S.A.. With one of the
recent ones was the Air Transat incident.

It might be also possible that these two K.L.M. passengers are just
imaginary passengers, made up passengers that doesn't even exist in the
first place.

So... Please don't go antipathy toward the U.S.A. because of these
things, because if one did because these things, the people that are
responsible for these things would have achieved their goals.



Now... What we could do to avoid this sort of thing again?

- No flying over U.S.A.'s airspace even if you have no plan on landing
in U.S.A.'s ground.

- Before arriving in the U.S.A. after a long travel, make sure to land
first at one of the neighbouring countries (like Canada, Mexico, Cuba,
and so on) before continuing to the U.S.A..

- Deter all non-essential travel to the U.S.A, the Great Britain,
Australia, Canada, and so on due the extreme terror risk (like the
recent K.L.M. and Air Transat incidents) in these countries. Of course,
if you never been to DisneyWorld Florida and wanted to do so for the
experience, that's okay, it's an essential travel, just be noted that
you have been warned.

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  #7  
Vecchio 12-04-2005, 09.42.15
digicross@hotmail.com
 
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Predefinito Re: KLM incident raises security questions

All right, after a flight of around 10 hours or so, people with
criminal intent are still in shape and capable of doing their misdeeds?

Man.... These people are supermen, ordinary people would have been
really exhausted after the whole flight.

By the way, is there any horse that is in "no-fly" list? Maybe it's the
horses that are in the "no-fly" list?



Personally, I think that the intent of this latest K.L.M. incidents is
just one of the many attempts to defame the U.S.A.. With one of the
recent ones was the Air Transat incident.

It might be also possible that these two K.L.M. passengers are just
imaginary passengers, made up passengers that doesn't even exist in the
first place.

So... Please don't go antipathy toward the U.S.A. because of these
things, because if one did because these things, the people that are
responsible for these things would have achieved their goals.



Now... What we could do to avoid this sort of thing again?

- No flying over U.S.A.'s airspace even if you have no plan on landing
in U.S.A.'s ground.

- Before arriving in the U.S.A. after a long travel, make sure to land
first at one of the neighbouring countries (like Canada, Mexico, Cuba,
and so on) before continuing to the U.S.A..

- Deter all non-essential travel to the U.S.A, the Great Britain,
Australia, Canada, and so on due the extreme terror risk (like the
recent K.L.M. and Air Transat incidents) in these countries. Of course,
if you never been to DisneyWorld Florida and wanted to do so for the
experience, that's okay, it's an essential travel, just be noted that
you have been warned.

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  #8  
Vecchio 12-04-2005, 09.42.15
digicross@hotmail.com
 
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Predefinito Re: KLM incident raises security questions

All right, after a flight of around 10 hours or so, people with
criminal intent are still in shape and capable of doing their misdeeds?

Man.... These people are supermen, ordinary people would have been
really exhausted after the whole flight.

By the way, is there any horse that is in "no-fly" list? Maybe it's the
horses that are in the "no-fly" list?



Personally, I think that the intent of this latest K.L.M. incidents is
just one of the many attempts to defame the U.S.A.. With one of the
recent ones was the Air Transat incident.

It might be also possible that these two K.L.M. passengers are just
imaginary passengers, made up passengers that doesn't even exist in the
first place.

So... Please don't go antipathy toward the U.S.A. because of these
things, because if one did because these things, the people that are
responsible for these things would have achieved their goals.



Now... What we could do to avoid this sort of thing again?

- No flying over U.S.A.'s airspace even if you have no plan on landing
in U.S.A.'s ground.

- Before arriving in the U.S.A. after a long travel, make sure to land
first at one of the neighbouring countries (like Canada, Mexico, Cuba,
and so on) before continuing to the U.S.A..

- Deter all non-essential travel to the U.S.A, the Great Britain,
Australia, Canada, and so on due the extreme terror risk (like the
recent K.L.M. and Air Transat incidents) in these countries. Of course,
if you never been to DisneyWorld Florida and wanted to do so for the
experience, that's okay, it's an essential travel, just be noted that
you have been warned.

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Vecchio 12-04-2005, 09.42.15
digicross@hotmail.com
 
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Predefinito Re: KLM incident raises security questions

All right, after a flight of around 10 hours or so, people with
criminal intent are still in shape and capable of doing their misdeeds?

Man.... These people are supermen, ordinary people would have been
really exhausted after the whole flight.

By the way, is there any horse that is in "no-fly" list? Maybe it's the
horses that are in the "no-fly" list?



Personally, I think that the intent of this latest K.L.M. incidents is
just one of the many attempts to defame the U.S.A.. With one of the
recent ones was the Air Transat incident.

It might be also possible that these two K.L.M. passengers are just
imaginary passengers, made up passengers that doesn't even exist in the
first place.

So... Please don't go antipathy toward the U.S.A. because of these
things, because if one did because these things, the people that are
responsible for these things would have achieved their goals.



Now... What we could do to avoid this sort of thing again?

- No flying over U.S.A.'s airspace even if you have no plan on landing
in U.S.A.'s ground.

- Before arriving in the U.S.A. after a long travel, make sure to land
first at one of the neighbouring countries (like Canada, Mexico, Cuba,
and so on) before continuing to the U.S.A..

- Deter all non-essential travel to the U.S.A, the Great Britain,
Australia, Canada, and so on due the extreme terror risk (like the
recent K.L.M. and Air Transat incidents) in these countries. Of course,
if you never been to DisneyWorld Florida and wanted to do so for the
experience, that's okay, it's an essential travel, just be noted that
you have been warned.

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Vecchio 12-04-2005, 09.42.15
digicross@hotmail.com
 
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Predefinito Re: KLM incident raises security questions

All right, after a flight of around 10 hours or so, people with
criminal intent are still in shape and capable of doing their misdeeds?

Man.... These people are supermen, ordinary people would have been
really exhausted after the whole flight.

By the way, is there any horse that is in "no-fly" list? Maybe it's the
horses that are in the "no-fly" list?



Personally, I think that the intent of this latest K.L.M. incidents is
just one of the many attempts to defame the U.S.A.. With one of the
recent ones was the Air Transat incident.

It might be also possible that these two K.L.M. passengers are just
imaginary passengers, made up passengers that doesn't even exist in the
first place.

So... Please don't go antipathy toward the U.S.A. because of these
things, because if one did because these things, the people that are
responsible for these things would have achieved their goals.



Now... What we could do to avoid this sort of thing again?

- No flying over U.S.A.'s airspace even if you have no plan on landing
in U.S.A.'s ground.

- Before arriving in the U.S.A. after a long travel, make sure to land
first at one of the neighbouring countries (like Canada, Mexico, Cuba,
and so on) before continuing to the U.S.A..

- Deter all non-essential travel to the U.S.A, the Great Britain,
Australia, Canada, and so on due the extreme terror risk (like the
recent K.L.M. and Air Transat incidents) in these countries. Of course,
if you never been to DisneyWorld Florida and wanted to do so for the
experience, that's okay, it's an essential travel, just be noted that
you have been warned.

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