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Vecchio 04-06-2014, 17.23.22
tim.....
 
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"Bill" <blackusenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 15:40:51 +0200, "tim....."
> <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>>
>>
>>"Dan Leifker" <daniel@dleifker.com> wrote in message
>>news:2014060315532625059-daniel@dleifkercom...[color=darkred]
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10857655/US-airports-menacing-cramped-and-devoid-of-humanity.html[/url]
>>>
>>> Depends on the airport, but in general I agree with this article.
>>>
>>> Not all U.S. airports are wastelands. Portland (Oregon) has one of the
>>> nicest airports I've ever visited, and San Francisco's airport is going
>>> through a very slow remodeling that may be a sign of things to come in
>>> 21st-century U.S. airports. The new Terminal 2 at San Francisco
>>> (domestic
>>> travel only, sadly) is spectacular, with lots of restaurants, work
>>> desks,
>>> shops, and seating galore.
>>>
>>> But the article is spot on with respect to passport control at U.S.
>>> airports, which approaches something from Dante's Inferno. When I fly
>>> into Frankfurt or Munich, I spend maybe 5 minutes in the Passkontrolle
>>> line. When I return to the U.S., I deplane and literally run as fast as
>>> I
>>> can to get to U.S. passport control before the lines start to mass.
>>>
>>> Thanks for link to article.[/color]
>>
>>thorough the guy must have been asleep when he left
>>
>>The fingerprinting is so that they can check that you left again.
>>[/color]
>
> Are they not bright enough to look at the passport photograph?[/color]

You "self checkout" (or at least you did, last time I was there)

tim

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  #12  
Vecchio 04-06-2014, 18.57.30
Mike O'Sullivan
 
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On 04/06/2014 14:09, Bill wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Why do customer facing US uniformed immigration officials at
> international airports carry pistols? Have any of them ever shot
> anyone?[/color]

It's mandatory in the US for everyone to carry firearms. Even nuns and
traffic wardens. It's in the constitution!

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  #13  
Vecchio 04-06-2014, 23.48.57
Erilar
 
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Giovanni Drogo <drogo@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
>[color=green]
>> downside to returning to the UK on a visit is that she dreads the whole
>> US > immigration experience on returning.[/color]
>
> There is no preferential lane for US pass holders like we have for EU pass holders ?[/color]

At o'Hare they have more people manning the pass control for foreigners
than for US citizens every time I come back.

--
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Vecchio 04-06-2014, 23.48.57
Erilar
 
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Dan Leifker <daniel@dleifker.com> wrote:[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10857655/US-airports-menacing-cramped-and-devoid-of-humanity.html[/url]
>>> >[/color][/color]
> Depends on the airport, but in general I agree with this article.
>
> Not all U.S. airports are wastelands. Portland (Oregon) has one of the
> nicest airports I've ever visited, and San Francisco's airport is going
> through a very slow remodeling that may be a sign of things to come in
> 21st-century U.S. airports. The new Terminal 2 at San Francisco
> (domestic travel only, sadly) is spectacular, with lots of restaurants,
> work desks, shops, and seating galore.
>
> But the article is spot on with respect to passport control at U.S.
> airports, which approaches something from Dante's Inferno. When I fly
> into Frankfurt or Munich, I spend maybe 5 minutes in the Passkontrolle
> line. When I return to the U.S., I deplane and literally run as fast as
> I can to get to U.S. passport control before the lines start to mass.
>
> Thanks for link to article.[/color]

I find it harder by far to get back into the US at O'Hare than into any
other country except the one time in Frankfort when I arrived on the first
Lufthansa flight after the whole volcanic ash cloud problem. That was
nothing compared to the time it took me to get OUT of O,Hare that year, of
course.
--
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Vecchio 05-06-2014, 00.42.17
Martin
 
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:48:57 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Dan Leifker <daniel@dleifker.com> wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10857655/US-airports-menacing-cramped-and-devoid-of-humanity.html[/url]
>>>> >[/color]
>> Depends on the airport, but in general I agree with this article.
>>
>> Not all U.S. airports are wastelands. Portland (Oregon) has one of the
>> nicest airports I've ever visited, and San Francisco's airport is going
>> through a very slow remodeling that may be a sign of things to come in
>> 21st-century U.S. airports. The new Terminal 2 at San Francisco
>> (domestic travel only, sadly) is spectacular, with lots of restaurants,
>> work desks, shops, and seating galore.
>>
>> But the article is spot on with respect to passport control at U.S.
>> airports, which approaches something from Dante's Inferno. When I fly
>> into Frankfurt or Munich, I spend maybe 5 minutes in the Passkontrolle
>> line. When I return to the U.S., I deplane and literally run as fast as
>> I can to get to U.S. passport control before the lines start to mass.
>>
>> Thanks for link to article.[/color]
>
>I find it harder by far to get back into the US at O'Hare than into any
>other country[/color]

Even France?
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> except the one time in Frankfort when I arrived on the first
>Lufthansa flight after the whole volcanic ash cloud problem. That was
>nothing compared to the time it took me to get OUT of O,Hare that year, of
>course.[/color]
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc[/url]

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Vecchio 05-06-2014, 12.09.54
JohnT
 
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"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:2l4vo9t4chbqg0gmqiuiv41ftjoq94coph@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:48:57 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Dan Leifker <daniel@dleifker.com> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>>> [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10857655/US-airports-menacing-cramped-and-devoid-of-humanity.html[/url]
>>>>> >
>>> Depends on the airport, but in general I agree with this article.
>>>
>>> Not all U.S. airports are wastelands. Portland (Oregon) has one of the
>>> nicest airports I've ever visited, and San Francisco's airport is going
>>> through a very slow remodeling that may be a sign of things to come in
>>> 21st-century U.S. airports. The new Terminal 2 at San Francisco
>>> (domestic travel only, sadly) is spectacular, with lots of restaurants,
>>> work desks, shops, and seating galore.
>>>
>>> But the article is spot on with respect to passport control at U.S.
>>> airports, which approaches something from Dante's Inferno. When I fly
>>> into Frankfurt or Munich, I spend maybe 5 minutes in the Passkontrolle
>>> line. When I return to the U.S., I deplane and literally run as fast as
>>> I can to get to U.S. passport control before the lines start to mass.
>>>
>>> Thanks for link to article.[/color]
>>
>>I find it harder by far to get back into the US at O'Hare than into any
>>other country[/color]
>
> Even France?
>[/color]

I think that you and I have convinced her of the error of her ways and she
is now a Francophile.

--
JohnT

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  #17  
Vecchio 05-06-2014, 12.20.34
Tim C.
 
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:42:17 +0200, Martin wrote in post :
<news:2l4vo9t4chbqg0gmqiuiv41ftjoq94coph@4ax.com> :
[color=blue][color=green]
>>I find it harder by far to get back into the US at O'Hare than into any
>>other country[/color]
>
> Even France?[/color]

I've never had any trouble getting into or out of France.

I've been to the US once, and it was a horror. I'll go back when I've won
the lottery.

--
Tim C. Linz, Austria.
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  #18  
Vecchio 05-06-2014, 12.28.10
Martin
 
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 10:09:54 +0100, "JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>news:2l4vo9t4chbqg0gmqiuiv41ftjoq94coph@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:48:57 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Dan Leifker <daniel@dleifker.com> wrote:
>>>>>> [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10857655/US-airports-menacing-cramped-and-devoid-of-humanity.html[/url]
>>>>>> >
>>>> Depends on the airport, but in general I agree with this article.
>>>>
>>>> Not all U.S. airports are wastelands. Portland (Oregon) has one of the
>>>> nicest airports I've ever visited, and San Francisco's airport is going
>>>> through a very slow remodeling that may be a sign of things to come in
>>>> 21st-century U.S. airports. The new Terminal 2 at San Francisco
>>>> (domestic travel only, sadly) is spectacular, with lots of restaurants,
>>>> work desks, shops, and seating galore.
>>>>
>>>> But the article is spot on with respect to passport control at U.S.
>>>> airports, which approaches something from Dante's Inferno. When I fly
>>>> into Frankfurt or Munich, I spend maybe 5 minutes in the Passkontrolle
>>>> line. When I return to the U.S., I deplane and literally run as fast as
>>>> I can to get to U.S. passport control before the lines start to mass.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for link to article.
>>>
>>>I find it harder by far to get back into the US at O'Hare than into any
>>>other country[/color]
>>
>> Even France?
>>[/color]
>
>I think that you and I have convinced her of the error of her ways and she
>is now a Francophile.[/color]

I convinced myself that she was deported via CdeG and declared persona non
grata.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

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Vecchio 05-06-2014, 12.34.26
Martin
 
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 11:20:34 +0200, "Tim C." <spamtrap@tele2.at> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 23:42:17 +0200, Martin wrote in post :
><news:2l4vo9t4chbqg0gmqiuiv41ftjoq94coph@4ax.com> :
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>I find it harder by far to get back into the US at O'Hare than into any
>>>other country[/color]
>>
>> Even France?[/color]
>
>I've never had any trouble getting into or out of France.
>
>I've been to the US once, and it was a horror. I'll go back when I've won
>the lottery.[/color]

The only time I had a problem was when I travelled to the USA with a diplomatic
visa, otherwise immigration has always been without problems. Queues at
immigration and security are caused by airlines not being willing to pay for an
adequate number of immigration/security staff. The queues aren't unique to the
USA. We took a charter flight from Schiphol where queues extended outside the
airport building, in this case there were not enough check in staff.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

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  #20  
Vecchio 05-06-2014, 21.35.55
tim.....
 
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"Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
news:lmo0np$1vc$1@dont-email.me...[color=blue]
> Giovanni Drogo <drogo@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> downside to returning to the UK on a visit is that she dreads the whole
>>> US > immigration experience on returning.[/color]
>>
>> There is no preferential lane for US pass holders like we have for EU
>> pass holders ?[/color]
>
> At o'Hare they have more people manning the pass control for foreigners
> than for US citizens every time I come back.[/color]

At LHR they have 10 times as many desks for "foreigners" than they do for
"priority" pax

that doesn't stop the priority pax getting through in moments, whilst the
foreigners wait up to an hour

tim


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