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  #21  
Vecchio 06-06-2014, 10.45.21
Tim C.
 
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 11:34:26 +0200, Martin wrote in post :
<news:m1e0p9lj8jmm1t7qrkf6un13p5ppurgje1@4ax.com> :
[color=blue]
> The queues aren't unique to the
> USA. We took a charter flight from Schiphol where queues extended outside the
> airport building, in this case there were not enough check in staff.[/color]

Trying to get through Passport control at Stansted is a pain.
--
Tim C. Linz, Austria.
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Vecchio 06-06-2014, 11.41.02
Frank Hucklenbroich
 
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Am Thu, 5 Jun 2014 19:35:55 +0100 schrieb tim.....:
[color=blue]
> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
> news:lmo0np$1vc$1@dont-email.me...[color=green]
>> Giovanni Drogo <drogo@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
>>>
>>>> downside to returning to the UK on a visit is that she dreads the whole
>>>> US > immigration experience on returning.
>>>
>>> There is no preferential lane for US pass holders like we have for EU
>>> pass holders ?[/color]
>>
>> At o'Hare they have more people manning the pass control for foreigners
>> than for US citizens every time I come back.[/color]
>
> At LHR they have 10 times as many desks for "foreigners" than they do for
> "priority" pax
>
> that doesn't stop the priority pax getting through in moments, whilst the
> foreigners wait up to an hour[/color]

That seem to be a problem with the UK in general. Not long ago I went to
Newcastle by ferry from Holland. The qeues at the passport check where
quite long, and I waited about 45 minutes. I found that long, considering
that 95% of the people were German or Dutch (so no issues with visa) and
only came for a long weekend with not much luggage.

At the return trip entering Holland there was no waiting at all, they only
had a quick glimpse at the passports and waved everybody through.

Regards,

Frank
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  #23  
Vecchio 06-06-2014, 11.47.36
Surreyman
 
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On Friday, June 6, 2014 8:45:21 AM UTC+1, Tim C. wrote:[color=blue]
> On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 11:34:26 +0200, Martin wrote in post :
>
> <news:m1e0p9lj8jmm1t7qrkf6un13p5ppurgje1@4ax.com> :
>
>
>[color=green]
> > The queues aren't unique to the[/color]
>[color=green]
> > USA. We took a charter flight from Schiphol where queues extended outside the[/color]
>[color=green]
> > airport building, in this case there were not enough check in staff.[/color]
>
>
>
> Trying to get through Passport control at Stansted is a pain.
>
> --
>
> Tim C. Linz, Austria.[/color]

We use smaller provincial airports wherever possible these days, such as Southampton - they often have extensive itineraries and queues are virtually non-existent!
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Vecchio 06-06-2014, 11.56.25
Martin
 
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On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 10:41:02 +0200, Frank Hucklenbroich <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Am Thu, 5 Jun 2014 19:35:55 +0100 schrieb tim.....:
>[color=green]
>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>> news:lmo0np$1vc$1@dont-email.me...[color=darkred]
>>> Giovanni Drogo <drogo@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> downside to returning to the UK on a visit is that she dreads the whole
>>>>> US > immigration experience on returning.
>>>>
>>>> There is no preferential lane for US pass holders like we have for EU
>>>> pass holders ?
>>>
>>> At o'Hare they have more people manning the pass control for foreigners
>>> than for US citizens every time I come back.[/color]
>>
>> At LHR they have 10 times as many desks for "foreigners" than they do for
>> "priority" pax
>>
>> that doesn't stop the priority pax getting through in moments, whilst the
>> foreigners wait up to an hour[/color]
>
>That seem to be a problem with the UK in general. Not long ago I went to
>Newcastle by ferry from Holland. The qeues at the passport check where
>quite long, and I waited about 45 minutes. I found that long, considering
>that 95% of the people were German or Dutch (so no issues with visa) and
>only came for a long weekend with not much luggage.
>
>At the return trip entering Holland there was no waiting at all, they only
>had a quick glimpse at the passports and waved everybody through.[/color]

It varies at both ends from trip to trip. In UK they are looking for and
catching illegal immigrants with forged/stolen passports; and for drugs. The
Dutch don't have a problem because their land borders are open to everybody, and
are exporters of drugs. We've never had a problem or delays entering via
Newcastle.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_IUPInEuc[/url]

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  #25  
Vecchio 06-06-2014, 18.10.27
Erilar
 
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Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Friday, June 6, 2014 8:45:21 AM UTC+1, Tim C. wrote:[color=green]
>> On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 11:34:26 +0200, Martin wrote in post :
>>
>> <news:m1e0p9lj8jmm1t7qrkf6un13p5ppurgje1@4ax.com> :
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The queues aren't unique to the[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> USA. We took a charter flight from Schiphol where queues extended outside the[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> airport building, in this case there were not enough check in staff.[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> Trying to get through Passport control at Stansted is a pain.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Tim C. Linz, Austria.[/color]
>
> We use smaller provincial airports wherever possible these days, such as
> Southampton - they often have extensive itineraries and queues are virtually non-existent![/color]

If I ever visit the UK again, I'll use anything but LHR! I hear Manchester
is civilized.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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Vecchio 06-06-2014, 18.10.28
Erilar
 
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"JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:2l4vo9t4chbqg0gmqiuiv41ftjoq94coph@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:48:57 +0000 (UTC), Erilar > <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Dan Leifker <daniel@dleifker.com> wrote:
>>>>>> [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10857655/US-airports-menacing-cramped-and-devoid-of-humanity.html[/url]
>>>>>>>
>>>> Depends on the airport, but in general I agree with this article.
>>>>
>>>> Not all U.S. airports are wastelands. Portland (Oregon) has one of the
>>>> nicest airports I've ever visited, and San Francisco's airport is going
>>>> through a very slow remodeling that may be a sign of things to come in
>>>> 21st-century U.S. airports. The new Terminal 2 at San Francisco
>>>> (domestic travel only, sadly) is spectacular, with lots of restaurants,
>>>> work desks, shops, and seating galore.
>>>>
>>>> But the article is spot on with respect to passport control at U.S.
>>>> airports, which approaches something from Dante's Inferno. When I fly
>>>> into Frankfurt or Munich, I spend maybe 5 minutes in the Passkontrolle
>>>> line. When I return to the U.S., I deplane and literally run as fast as
>>>> I can to get to U.S. passport control before the lines start to mass.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for link to article.
>>>
>>> I find it harder by far to get back into the US at O'Hare than into any
>>> other country[/color]
>>
>> Even France?
>>[/color]
>
> I think that you and I have convinced her of the error of her ways and
> she is now a Francophile.[/color]

I no longer have a problem with French airports, as I don't have any
interest in visiting France again.

--
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  #27  
Vecchio 06-06-2014, 18.10.28
Erilar
 
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Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2014 10:09:54 +0100, "JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:2l4vo9t4chbqg0gmqiuiv41ftjoq94coph@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 20:48:57 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>.
>>>>
>>>> I find it harder by far to get back into the US at O'Hare than into any
>>>> other country
>>>
>>> Even France?
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I think that you and I have convinced her of the error of her ways and she
>> is now a Francophile.[/color]
>
> I convinced myself that she was deported via CdeG and declared persona non
> grata.[/color]

No, I declared France something similar.
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  #28  
Vecchio 06-06-2014, 19.57.20
S Viemeister
 
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On 6/6/2014 11:10 AM, Erilar wrote:
[color=blue]
> If I ever visit the UK again, I'll use anything but LHR! I hear Manchester
> is civilized.
>[/color]
I find Edinburgh and Glasgow _much_ less unpleasant than Heathrow.
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  #29  
Vecchio 06-06-2014, 22.20.57
Bill
 
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On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 15:10:27 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Friday, June 6, 2014 8:45:21 AM UTC+1, Tim C. wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 11:34:26 +0200, Martin wrote in post :
>>>
>>> <news:m1e0p9lj8jmm1t7qrkf6un13p5ppurgje1@4ax.com> :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The queues aren't unique to the
>>>
>>>> USA. We took a charter flight from Schiphol where queues extended outside the
>>>
>>>> airport building, in this case there were not enough check in staff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trying to get through Passport control at Stansted is a pain.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Tim C. Linz, Austria.[/color]
>>
>> We use smaller provincial airports wherever possible these days, such as
>> Southampton - they often have extensive itineraries and queues are virtually non-existent![/color]
>
>If I ever visit the UK again, I'll use anything but LHR! I hear Manchester
>is civilized.[/color]

Heathrow is a lot better these days, especially if you fly with BA
and use terminal 5...

Manchester is nice, clean but busy with holiday charters. So it gets
noisy and full of people.

The best provincial airport we've flown from is Leeds/Bradford.

BA have a Heathrow shuttle flying into there several times a day.
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  #30  
Vecchio 07-06-2014, 08.25.42
Mike O'Sullivan
 
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On 06/06/2014 09:56, Martin wrote:[color=blue]
>
> It varies at both ends from trip to trip. In UK they are looking for and
> catching illegal immigrants with forged/stolen passports; and for drugs. The
> Dutch don't have a problem because their land borders are open to everybody, and
> are exporters of drugs. We've never had a problem or delays entering via
> Newcastle.[/color]

Flying back from Amsterdam Schipol to Gatwick I remember they used a
friendly sniffer dog. he just made a walk past of the line of entering
passengers. Didn't cause a delay.[color=blue]
>[/color]

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