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Vecchio 18-07-2007, 00.36.00
Martin
 
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:24:47 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:30:49 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
>[][color=green][color=darkred]
>> >Looks like they got in early then. Does the cap include VAT in the 49
>> >cents?[/color]
>>
>> No it excludes VAT. See EU site below.[/color]
>
>OK- so that would make the price in line with the recommendation.[color=green]
>>
>>
>> EU site says end of August 2007 (in a complicated sort of way).
>>
>>
>> [url]http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/roaming/consumer/better[/url]
>> _deal/index_en.htm
>>
>> "How soon can I benefit from a Eurotariff?
>>
>> * Expect to receive an offer from your operator for a roaming
>> Eurotariff by the end of July 2007.
>> * If you accept, your operator has to activate the Eurotariff within one
>> month
>> * If you don't react by the end of September 2007, your operator will
>> automatically place you on a Eurotariff, unless you have a special roaming
>> package.[/color]
>
>In the case of Tesco (which is only prepaid- no contracts) there was no
>offer-[/color]

It's not the end of July 2007 yet. I think Tesco uses O2? When we wanted to buy
prepaid Tesco SIM card earlier this year, we were offered O2 cards.
[color=blue]
>and I wouldn't have expected one given their very transparent
>pricing structure. It looks like the non-EU prices are the same as
>before,[/color]

Yes.
[color=blue]
>and I've not heard about the domestic price going up.[/color]

I find it hard to tell what Vodafone charge. As Vodafone UK have terminated all
our SIM cards except one, because they weren't used for half a year, we won't be
using Vodafone any more. O2 is far cheaper than Vodafone for calls within UK
and for calls from UK to NL.
--

Martin

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  #12  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 00.41.02
Andy Pandy
 
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"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:g4dq939u1rr3dnj4qog2ee5646q3fbopad@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> I find it hard to tell what Vodafone charge. As Vodafone UK have[/color]
terminated all[color=blue]
> our SIM cards except one, because they weren't used for half a year,[/color]
we won't be[color=blue]
> using Vodafone any more. O2 is far cheaper than Vodafone for calls[/color]
within UK[color=blue]
> and for calls from UK to NL.[/color]

Vodafone are very cheap off-peak - my wife has a PAYG - it costs 5p
per minute capped at 15p for an hour!

They are expensive peak though.

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Andy


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  #13  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 00.41.02
Andy Pandy
 
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"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:g4dq939u1rr3dnj4qog2ee5646q3fbopad@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> I find it hard to tell what Vodafone charge. As Vodafone UK have[/color]
terminated all[color=blue]
> our SIM cards except one, because they weren't used for half a year,[/color]
we won't be[color=blue]
> using Vodafone any more. O2 is far cheaper than Vodafone for calls[/color]
within UK[color=blue]
> and for calls from UK to NL.[/color]

Vodafone are very cheap off-peak - my wife has a PAYG - it costs 5p
per minute capped at 15p for an hour!

They are expensive peak though.

--
Andy


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  #14  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 00.46.56
Andy Pandy
 
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"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
message news:1i1f23h.39a9bb5zbveoN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...[color=blue]
> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:30:49 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David[/color][/color]
Horne, _the_[color=blue][color=green]
> > chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
> [][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >Looks like they got in early then. Does the cap include VAT in[/color][/color][/color]
the 49[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >cents?[/color]
> >
> > No it excludes VAT. See EU site below.[/color]
>
> OK- so that would make the price in line with the recommendation.[/color]

I can't find anywhere that says what type of calls are covered. Is it
calls to any landline or mobile anywhere in the EU, from anywhere in
the EU - eg if I have a UK phone, am roaming in France, can I call a
mobile in Italy for those rates?

Also whether it includes non geographic (like 084/087 in the UK) and
other such numbers.

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  #15  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 00.46.56
Andy Pandy
 
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"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
message news:1i1f23h.39a9bb5zbveoN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...[color=blue]
> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:30:49 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David[/color][/color]
Horne, _the_[color=blue][color=green]
> > chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
> [][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >Looks like they got in early then. Does the cap include VAT in[/color][/color][/color]
the 49[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >cents?[/color]
> >
> > No it excludes VAT. See EU site below.[/color]
>
> OK- so that would make the price in line with the recommendation.[/color]

I can't find anywhere that says what type of calls are covered. Is it
calls to any landline or mobile anywhere in the EU, from anywhere in
the EU - eg if I have a UK phone, am roaming in France, can I call a
mobile in Italy for those rates?

Also whether it includes non geographic (like 084/087 in the UK) and
other such numbers.

--
Andy


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  #16  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 01.11.15
Martin
 
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:46:56 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
<spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>message news:1i1f23h.39a9bb5zbveoN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:30:49 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David[/color][/color]
>Horne, _the_[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
>> [][color=darkred]
>> > >Looks like they got in early then. Does the cap include VAT in[/color][/color]
>the 49[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > >cents?
>> >
>> > No it excludes VAT. See EU site below.[/color]
>>
>> OK- so that would make the price in line with the recommendation.[/color]
>
>I can't find anywhere that says what type of calls are covered. Is it
>calls to any landline or mobile anywhere in the EU, from anywhere in
>the EU - eg if I have a UK phone, am roaming in France, can I call a
>mobile in Italy for those rates?[/color]

I think that was the intention.

--

Martin

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  #17  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 01.11.15
Martin
 
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:46:56 +0100, "Andy Pandy"
<spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>message news:1i1f23h.39a9bb5zbveoN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:30:49 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David[/color][/color]
>Horne, _the_[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
>> [][color=darkred]
>> > >Looks like they got in early then. Does the cap include VAT in[/color][/color]
>the 49[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > >cents?
>> >
>> > No it excludes VAT. See EU site below.[/color]
>>
>> OK- so that would make the price in line with the recommendation.[/color]
>
>I can't find anywhere that says what type of calls are covered. Is it
>calls to any landline or mobile anywhere in the EU, from anywhere in
>the EU - eg if I have a UK phone, am roaming in France, can I call a
>mobile in Italy for those rates?[/color]

I think that was the intention.

--

Martin

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  #18  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 12.40.43
David Horne, _the_ chancellor
 
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Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:24:47 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:30:49 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
> >[][color=darkred]
> >> >Looks like they got in early then. Does the cap include VAT in the 49
> >> >cents?
> >>
> >> No it excludes VAT. See EU site below.[/color]
> >
> >OK- so that would make the price in line with the recommendation.[color=darkred]
> >>
> >>
> >> EU site says end of August 2007 (in a complicated sort of way).
> >>
> >>
> >> [url]http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/roaming/consumer/better[/url]
> >> _deal/index_en.htm
> >>
> >> "How soon can I benefit from a Eurotariff?
> >>
> >> * Expect to receive an offer from your operator for a roaming
> >> Eurotariff by the end of July 2007.
> >> * If you accept, your operator has to activate the Eurotariff
> >> within one month
> >> * If you don't react by the end of September 2007, your operator will
> >> automatically place you on a Eurotariff, unless you have a special roaming
> >> package.[/color]
> >
> >In the case of Tesco (which is only prepaid- no contracts) there was no
> >offer-[/color]
>
> It's not the end of July 2007 yet.[/color]

But there's not going to be an offer from Tesco. They simply changed
their roaming tarrif to the lower rate. So, it's not working quite like
the EU regulations state, but as it benefits the consumer, I daresay it
doesn't matter.

I notice that the poster who mentioned the SIM with free incoming hasn't
posted back...
[color=blue]
> I think Tesco uses O2?[/color]

Yes- that's right.
[color=blue]
> When we wanted to buy
> prepaid Tesco SIM card earlier this year, we were offered O2 cards.[/color]

Same coverage obviously, but O2 prices are more complicated. (Tesco
shops are the best place to buy the SIMs- most high street phone shops
don't carry them.) Do you remember how much it cost?

I liked Tesco's simplicity. Same price (9p) for landlines, mobiles, even
0845/0870 numbers, which you can also use to call landlines abroad. (I
think some O2 plans used to charge the same for 0870 as well.)
[color=blue][color=green]
> >and I wouldn't have expected one given their very transparent
> >pricing structure. It looks like the non-EU prices are the same as
> >before,[/color]
>
> Yes.
>[color=green]
> >and I've not heard about the domestic price going up.[/color]
>
> I find it hard to tell what Vodafone charge. As Vodafone UK have
> terminated all our SIM cards except one, because they weren't used for
> half a year, we won't be using Vodafone any more. O2 is far cheaper than
> Vodafone for calls within UK and for calls from UK to NL.[/color]

Unfortunately, all the main mobile companies make it very hard to see
what their prices actually are. I find this with foreign websites too-
you usually have to wade through a few pages until you get information,
and there are often so many terms and conditions to the prices.

I think a lot of people just take out contracts in the UK because they
get subsidised shiny new phones...

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
[url]http://www.davidhorne.net[/url] - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
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  #19  
Vecchio 18-07-2007, 12.40.43
David Horne, _the_ chancellor
 
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Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:24:47 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:30:49 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:[/color]
> >[][color=darkred]
> >> >Looks like they got in early then. Does the cap include VAT in the 49
> >> >cents?
> >>
> >> No it excludes VAT. See EU site below.[/color]
> >
> >OK- so that would make the price in line with the recommendation.[color=darkred]
> >>
> >>
> >> EU site says end of August 2007 (in a complicated sort of way).
> >>
> >>
> >> [url]http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/roaming/consumer/better[/url]
> >> _deal/index_en.htm
> >>
> >> "How soon can I benefit from a Eurotariff?
> >>
> >> * Expect to receive an offer from your operator for a roaming
> >> Eurotariff by the end of July 2007.
> >> * If you accept, your operator has to activate the Eurotariff
> >> within one month
> >> * If you don't react by the end of September 2007, your operator will
> >> automatically place you on a Eurotariff, unless you have a special roaming
> >> package.[/color]
> >
> >In the case of Tesco (which is only prepaid- no contracts) there was no
> >offer-[/color]
>
> It's not the end of July 2007 yet.[/color]

But there's not going to be an offer from Tesco. They simply changed
their roaming tarrif to the lower rate. So, it's not working quite like
the EU regulations state, but as it benefits the consumer, I daresay it
doesn't matter.

I notice that the poster who mentioned the SIM with free incoming hasn't
posted back...
[color=blue]
> I think Tesco uses O2?[/color]

Yes- that's right.
[color=blue]
> When we wanted to buy
> prepaid Tesco SIM card earlier this year, we were offered O2 cards.[/color]

Same coverage obviously, but O2 prices are more complicated. (Tesco
shops are the best place to buy the SIMs- most high street phone shops
don't carry them.) Do you remember how much it cost?

I liked Tesco's simplicity. Same price (9p) for landlines, mobiles, even
0845/0870 numbers, which you can also use to call landlines abroad. (I
think some O2 plans used to charge the same for 0870 as well.)
[color=blue][color=green]
> >and I wouldn't have expected one given their very transparent
> >pricing structure. It looks like the non-EU prices are the same as
> >before,[/color]
>
> Yes.
>[color=green]
> >and I've not heard about the domestic price going up.[/color]
>
> I find it hard to tell what Vodafone charge. As Vodafone UK have
> terminated all our SIM cards except one, because they weren't used for
> half a year, we won't be using Vodafone any more. O2 is far cheaper than
> Vodafone for calls within UK and for calls from UK to NL.[/color]

Unfortunately, all the main mobile companies make it very hard to see
what their prices actually are. I find this with foreign websites too-
you usually have to wade through a few pages until you get information,
and there are often so many terms and conditions to the prices.

I think a lot of people just take out contracts in the UK because they
get subsidised shiny new phones...

--
(*) ... of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate
[url]http://www.davidhorne.net[/url] - real address on website
"Abominable, loyal, blind, apparently subservient."
Pres. Carter on Pres. Blair- May, 2007
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Vecchio 18-07-2007, 12.49.59
Martin
 
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:40:43 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:24:47 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:30:49 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne, _the_
>> >> chancellor (*)) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >Looks like they got in early then. Does the cap include VAT in the 49
>> >> >cents?
>> >>
>> >> No it excludes VAT. See EU site below.
>> >
>> >OK- so that would make the price in line with the recommendation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> EU site says end of August 2007 (in a complicated sort of way).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [url]http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/roaming/consumer/better[/url]
>> >> _deal/index_en.htm
>> >>
>> >> "How soon can I benefit from a Eurotariff?
>> >>
>> >> * Expect to receive an offer from your operator for a roaming
>> >> Eurotariff by the end of July 2007.
>> >> * If you accept, your operator has to activate the Eurotariff
>> >> within one month
>> >> * If you don't react by the end of September 2007, your operator will
>> >> automatically place you on a Eurotariff, unless you have a special roaming
>> >> package.
>> >
>> >In the case of Tesco (which is only prepaid- no contracts) there was no
>> >offer-[/color]
>>
>> It's not the end of July 2007 yet.[/color]
>
>But there's not going to be an offer from Tesco. They simply changed
>their roaming tarrif to the lower rate. So, it's not working quite like
>the EU regulations state, but as it benefits the consumer, I daresay it
>doesn't matter.
>
>I notice that the poster who mentioned the SIM with free incoming hasn't
>posted back...
>[color=green]
>> I think Tesco uses O2?[/color]
>
>Yes- that's right.
>[color=green]
>> When we wanted to buy
>> prepaid Tesco SIM card earlier this year, we were offered O2 cards.[/color]
>
>Same coverage obviously, but O2 prices are more complicated. (Tesco
>shops are the best place to buy the SIMs- most high street phone shops
>don't carry them.) Do you remember how much it cost?[/color]

The O2 cards were bought for us in Tesco by my daughter, it was Tesco who sold
her O2 cards when she asked for Tesco cards.
[color=blue]
>
>I liked Tesco's simplicity. Same price (9p) for landlines, mobiles, even
>0845/0870 numbers, which you can also use to call landlines abroad. (I
>think some O2 plans used to charge the same for 0870 as well.)[/color]

I suspect, but can't be bothered to check that Tesco and O2 charge the same? :-)


[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >and I wouldn't have expected one given their very transparent
>> >pricing structure. It looks like the non-EU prices are the same as
>> >before,[/color]
>>
>> Yes.
>>[color=darkred]
>> >and I've not heard about the domestic price going up.[/color]
>>
>> I find it hard to tell what Vodafone charge. As Vodafone UK have
>> terminated all our SIM cards except one, because they weren't used for
>> half a year, we won't be using Vodafone any more. O2 is far cheaper than
>> Vodafone for calls within UK and for calls from UK to NL.[/color]
>
>Unfortunately, all the main mobile companies make it very hard to see
>what their prices actually are. I find this with foreign websites too-
>you usually have to wade through a few pages until you get information,
>and there are often so many terms and conditions to the prices.[/color]

I was hoping that the EU would tackle and solve this too.
[color=blue]
>
>I think a lot of people just take out contracts in the UK because they
>get subsidised shiny new phones...[/color]

Certainly that is true of my son. New phone and then months of him complaining
about Vodafone ripping him off followed by another new phone and then ... , in
the meantime we get ripped off too every time we phone him.
Somebody has to pay for Vodafone's F1 sponsorship :-)
--

Martin

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