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  #1  
Vecchio 01-08-2005, 17.03.38
poupiejap@yahoo.com
 
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Hello,

We are a group of 7 people willing to go to Tirana in Albania for a
week during the Tirana Biennal in Oktober.
We are travelling from Geneva to Brindisi in Italia by train, and we
want to take a ferrie from Brindisi to Vlora in ALbania.
As anyone any idea about the best way to travel from Vlora to Tirana?
We would also like to get some general informations about Albania, so
if someone wants to share his experience about travelling in
Albania...you're welcome!

Thanx a lot for your help.

Marianne

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Vecchio 03-08-2005, 00.56.14
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On 1 Aug 2005 07:03:38 -0700, [email]poupiejap@yahoo.com[/email] wrote:
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>Hello,
>
>We are a group of 7 people willing to go to Tirana in Albania for a
>week during the Tirana Biennal in Oktober.
>We are travelling from Geneva to Brindisi in Italia by train, and we
>want to take a ferrie from Brindisi to Vlora in ALbania.[/color]

That part is easy. Pick up some Italian on the way, as it will help
you in Albania.
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>As anyone any idea about the best way to travel from Vlora to Tirana?[/color]

By private bus is the best way. If you arrive there, look for a
minibus with a number plate starting with TIR (that means they are
from Tirana), and wave some Euros in front of them. €35 should be
enough for the trip.
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>We would also like to get some general informations about Albania, so
>if someone wants to share his experience about travelling in
>Albania...you're welcome![/color]

I know a bit about travelling in Albania, as I have been there, and
the place fascinates me somewhat. Few other folks in this newsgroup
know anything about the place. Ask away!
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Vecchio 03-08-2005, 09.49.56
polak
 
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Albanian is very hard and difficult. If You need help You must talk
with Albanian children because they learn english.

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Vecchio 03-08-2005, 15.29.07
poupiejap@yahoo.com
 
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Thank you very much for these usefull informations.
It is actually pretty difficult to get informations about Albania.
We are also in contact with some albanian people, but we are trying to
gather other point of views.
We have a perfect italian speaker in the group, sure it will help us to
communicate with the people we are going to meet!

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Vecchio 03-08-2005, 20.58.44
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On 3 Aug 2005 05:29:07 -0700, [email]poupiejap@yahoo.com[/email] wrote:
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>Thank you very much for these usefull informations.
>It is actually pretty difficult to get informations about Albania.[/color]

It is almost impossible to get good, up-to-date information even now.
Mostly this is because of the state of the country, and the absence of
visitors. Be prepared for how rough the country is outside of the main
cities. It has just come through about 10 years of anarchy, and it
shows.
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>We are also in contact with some albanian people, but we are trying to
>gather other point of views.[/color]

Fair enough. Albanians have a very different perception of their own
country. The mere site of their own flag makes them go crazy with
patriotism.
[color=blue]
>We have a perfect italian speaker in the group, sure it will help us to
>communicate with the people we are going to meet![/color]

Good. The communication thing was tough when I went there, as my
Italian was very rough at that time. Don't bother trying to learn too
much of the local language. It's very hard.

Also note that they shake their head for yes, and nod for no. This can
cause great confusion!
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Vecchio 03-08-2005, 21.08.20
Des Small
 
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DDT Filled Mormons <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> writes:
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> On 3 Aug 2005 05:29:07 -0700, [email]poupiejap@yahoo.com[/email] wrote:
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> >Thank you very much for these usefull informations.
> >It is actually pretty difficult to get informations about Albania.[/color]
>
> It is almost impossible to get good, up-to-date information even now.
> Mostly this is because of the state of the country, and the absence of
> visitors. Be prepared for how rough the country is outside of the main
> cities. It has just come through about 10 years of anarchy, and it
> shows.[/color]

Is that "come through" in the sense of being now decicively out the
other side? Rough is one thing; warlords and guerrillas are another.

(I mostly stopped paying attention when the pyramid scheme civil war
broke out.)

Des
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Vecchio 03-08-2005, 22.56.22
kuacou241@yahoo.com
 
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Years ago the State Department had the greatest of difficulty finding
teachers of Albanian to teach foreign service offcers -- State always
wanted to have language officers on the ready for when diplomatic
relations were restored.

Today, of course, there are Albanian speakers everywhere; there's been
a lot of emigration both from Albania and from ex-Yugoslavia.

The élite of Albania are those who speak English, which is probably
how they became today's élite. When I was there (I took the bus
to/from Greece) I had no difficulty whatsoever communicating. I speak
other languages, but English was enough.

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Vecchio 03-08-2005, 23.07.52
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On 03 Aug 2005 19:08:20 +0100, Des Small <des.small@bristol.ac.uk>
wrote:
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>DDT Filled Mormons <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> writes:
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>> On 3 Aug 2005 05:29:07 -0700, [email]poupiejap@yahoo.com[/email] wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Thank you very much for these usefull informations.
>> >It is actually pretty difficult to get informations about Albania.[/color]
>>
>> It is almost impossible to get good, up-to-date information even now.
>> Mostly this is because of the state of the country, and the absence of
>> visitors. Be prepared for how rough the country is outside of the main
>> cities. It has just come through about 10 years of anarchy, and it
>> shows.[/color]
>
>Is that "come through" in the sense of being now decicively out the
>other side? Rough is one thing; warlords and guerrillas are another.[/color]

It's certainly not run by warlords, although there is plenty of
mafia-style organised crime that still goes on. The security situation
has been steadily improving in the last few yet, but the economy is
still heavily crime based.

For an amusing (but outdated) read on the country, check out:

[url]http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dplaces/albania/index.htm[/url]
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Vecchio 03-08-2005, 23.28.04
Des Small
 
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DDT Filled Mormons <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> writes:
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> On 03 Aug 2005 19:08:20 +0100, Des Small <des.small@bristol.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >DDT Filled Mormons <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> writes:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> It is almost impossible to get good, up-to-date information even now.
> >> Mostly this is because of the state of the country, and the absence of
> >> visitors. Be prepared for how rough the country is outside of the main
> >> cities. It has just come through about 10 years of anarchy, and it
> >> shows.[/color]
> >
> >Is that "come through" in the sense of being now decicively out the
> >other side? Rough is one thing; warlords and guerrillas are another.[/color]
>
> It's certainly not run by warlords, although there is plenty of
> mafia-style organised crime that still goes on. The security situation
> has been steadily improving in the last few yet, but the economy is
> still heavily crime based.[/color]

Thanks; it's horses for courses, of course, but "the economy is still
heavily crime based" is not the magic codephrase that gets Albania off
of my "avoid" list. (I'm sure they'll manage without me.)
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> For an amusing (but outdated) read on the country, check out:
>
> [url]http://www.comebackalive.com/df/dplaces/albania/index.htm[/url][/color]

Yikes.

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Vecchio 05-08-2005, 00.44.12
polak
 
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[url]http://groups-beta.google.com/group/slavonic?lnk=li&[/url]
Could You write something in my Google Group?
Slav

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