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  #11  
Vecchio 26-10-2005, 13.04.29
Martin Rich
 
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Predefinito Re: Questions about UK Travel Part 2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:54:40 -0700, "rvfulltime (was xenman)"
<rvfulltime@_removeme_isp.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You guys were helpfull in my last post, thanks. Now I have some more questions.
>
>Background... We are flying into Gatwick on April 26th and returning to the U.S.
>on May 27th out of Gatwick. We're going to spend April 27 to May 15th in the
>UK, mostly London with day trips to outlying areas and then 6 or 7 days in
>Scotland. We'll probably choose Glasgow or Edinburgh to stay every night,
>but see the other city also, and maybe some outlying areas. We've never
>been to Scotland, but we spent 3 weeks in London 5 years ago and feel we
>need another 10 to 14 days to finish seeing it. On May 15 we board a cruise
>ship in Copenhagen which departs at 9pm for a 10 night Baltic sea journey,
>returning to Copenhagen. We have yet to make transportation arrangements
>to Scotland and to Copenhagen.
>
>Some of these questions are answered by travel guides, but the guide could
>easily be out of date too.
>
>1. Regarding Glasgow vs Edinburgh, which city would you suggest we stay in?
>We actually hope to find a furnished apartment (flat) for our stay there to avoid
>having to continually search for restaurants. We're healthy and walking is
>easy for us. We enjoy going to museums and parks. We're not interested
>in any "nightlife".
>[/color]

Both cities have a lot to offer given your interests: Edinburgh is the
more immediately attractive and historic city, with its castle right
in the middle, and it's very walkable in the centre so long as you
don't mind a lot of climbing up and down.
[color=blue]
>2. Train or plain? Which way to get to Scotland? We're leaning towards the
>train as the flight from the U.S. will be long enough, plus in the U.S. travelling
>by train is pretty rare, unless you live in one of the big eastern cities. We're
>from the west. So travelling by train would be a new experience.
>[/color]

Train is a nice journey; if you take the GNER line (see my post in the
earlier thread that you started) from York northwards there are some
very fine views and you will see the best of them looking out of the
east side of the train.
[color=blue]
>2A. If by train, do we need advance reservations like we need on a plane?
>Does the fare change by how far in advance you purchase tickets, like
>flying, or is the fare always the same?
>[/color]

You don't need advance reservations but, as with air travel, the fares
are usually much cheaper if you book in advance and commit yourself to
a particular train. It's best to book directly with the train
operators' websites - again see my posting in the earlier thread
[color=blue]
>2B. Say we're travelling central London to central Edinburgh, how much longer,
>door to door, does it take by train than by plane, assuming it takes longer?
>[/color]

Depends where in London, particularly, but about an extra 1.5 hours
sounds right
[color=blue]
>3. I've been looking at air fares from Scotland to Copenhagen and then
>back to London and thei're pretty high. So then I looked at fares from London
>to Copenhagen and back and they're pretty reasonable, but they don't go
>back to Gatwick. They use either London City Airport or Heathrow. Is
>there good frequent transportation from these two airports to Gatwick, as my
>departure out of Gatwick is at 1:50pm?
>[/color]

Heathrow to Gatwick is easiest done by bus - at least twice an hour,
takes about an hour, but do leave some extra time just in case it gets
delayed onthe motorway.

London City to Gatwick is best done by bus to Canning Town station,
Jubilee Line tube to London Bridge, then Thameslink train to Gatwick:
this was my hunch but is also confirmed by LCY's website at
[url]http://www.londoncityairport.com/transport/index.htm[/url]
[color=blue]
>3A. My 1999 London tube map shows LCY being served only by a rail
>line. Is this still true? I've read that the tube system has been expanded
>in recent years. So what's the best way to get to and from LCY?
>[/color]

Not the tube, but the Docklands Light Railway is opening a line
directly to the airpot very soon. The Jubilee Line extension which
runs to Canning Town opened just in time for the millenium so probably
is marked as under construction on your 1999 map.
[color=blue]
>4. What are some good day trips from London? We've heard about
>Canterbury, Oxford, and Stratford-on-Avon. (Allright, I've haven't done
>any research on this subject
>[/color]

Those are all good choices - even if they follow a fairly standard
itinerary; if you are interested in seeing some English countryside,
somewhere like the New Forest or Suffolk would be worth a visit.

York is a feasible day trip from London, but is also on your route to
Scotland if you take the train from London to Edinburgh, so you might
investigate stopping there on your journey north

Martin
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  #12  
Vecchio 26-10-2005, 13.04.29
Martin Rich
 
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Predefinito Re: Questions about UK Travel Part 2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:54:40 -0700, "rvfulltime (was xenman)"
<rvfulltime@_removeme_isp.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You guys were helpfull in my last post, thanks. Now I have some more questions.
>
>Background... We are flying into Gatwick on April 26th and returning to the U.S.
>on May 27th out of Gatwick. We're going to spend April 27 to May 15th in the
>UK, mostly London with day trips to outlying areas and then 6 or 7 days in
>Scotland. We'll probably choose Glasgow or Edinburgh to stay every night,
>but see the other city also, and maybe some outlying areas. We've never
>been to Scotland, but we spent 3 weeks in London 5 years ago and feel we
>need another 10 to 14 days to finish seeing it. On May 15 we board a cruise
>ship in Copenhagen which departs at 9pm for a 10 night Baltic sea journey,
>returning to Copenhagen. We have yet to make transportation arrangements
>to Scotland and to Copenhagen.
>
>Some of these questions are answered by travel guides, but the guide could
>easily be out of date too.
>
>1. Regarding Glasgow vs Edinburgh, which city would you suggest we stay in?
>We actually hope to find a furnished apartment (flat) for our stay there to avoid
>having to continually search for restaurants. We're healthy and walking is
>easy for us. We enjoy going to museums and parks. We're not interested
>in any "nightlife".
>[/color]

Both cities have a lot to offer given your interests: Edinburgh is the
more immediately attractive and historic city, with its castle right
in the middle, and it's very walkable in the centre so long as you
don't mind a lot of climbing up and down.
[color=blue]
>2. Train or plain? Which way to get to Scotland? We're leaning towards the
>train as the flight from the U.S. will be long enough, plus in the U.S. travelling
>by train is pretty rare, unless you live in one of the big eastern cities. We're
>from the west. So travelling by train would be a new experience.
>[/color]

Train is a nice journey; if you take the GNER line (see my post in the
earlier thread that you started) from York northwards there are some
very fine views and you will see the best of them looking out of the
east side of the train.
[color=blue]
>2A. If by train, do we need advance reservations like we need on a plane?
>Does the fare change by how far in advance you purchase tickets, like
>flying, or is the fare always the same?
>[/color]

You don't need advance reservations but, as with air travel, the fares
are usually much cheaper if you book in advance and commit yourself to
a particular train. It's best to book directly with the train
operators' websites - again see my posting in the earlier thread
[color=blue]
>2B. Say we're travelling central London to central Edinburgh, how much longer,
>door to door, does it take by train than by plane, assuming it takes longer?
>[/color]

Depends where in London, particularly, but about an extra 1.5 hours
sounds right
[color=blue]
>3. I've been looking at air fares from Scotland to Copenhagen and then
>back to London and thei're pretty high. So then I looked at fares from London
>to Copenhagen and back and they're pretty reasonable, but they don't go
>back to Gatwick. They use either London City Airport or Heathrow. Is
>there good frequent transportation from these two airports to Gatwick, as my
>departure out of Gatwick is at 1:50pm?
>[/color]

Heathrow to Gatwick is easiest done by bus - at least twice an hour,
takes about an hour, but do leave some extra time just in case it gets
delayed onthe motorway.

London City to Gatwick is best done by bus to Canning Town station,
Jubilee Line tube to London Bridge, then Thameslink train to Gatwick:
this was my hunch but is also confirmed by LCY's website at
[url]http://www.londoncityairport.com/transport/index.htm[/url]
[color=blue]
>3A. My 1999 London tube map shows LCY being served only by a rail
>line. Is this still true? I've read that the tube system has been expanded
>in recent years. So what's the best way to get to and from LCY?
>[/color]

Not the tube, but the Docklands Light Railway is opening a line
directly to the airpot very soon. The Jubilee Line extension which
runs to Canning Town opened just in time for the millenium so probably
is marked as under construction on your 1999 map.
[color=blue]
>4. What are some good day trips from London? We've heard about
>Canterbury, Oxford, and Stratford-on-Avon. (Allright, I've haven't done
>any research on this subject
>[/color]

Those are all good choices - even if they follow a fairly standard
itinerary; if you are interested in seeing some English countryside,
somewhere like the New Forest or Suffolk would be worth a visit.

York is a feasible day trip from London, but is also on your route to
Scotland if you take the train from London to Edinburgh, so you might
investigate stopping there on your journey north

Martin
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  #13  
Vecchio 26-10-2005, 13.04.29
Martin Rich
 
Messaggi: n/a
Predefinito Re: Questions about UK Travel Part 2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:54:40 -0700, "rvfulltime (was xenman)"
<rvfulltime@_removeme_isp.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You guys were helpfull in my last post, thanks. Now I have some more questions.
>
>Background... We are flying into Gatwick on April 26th and returning to the U.S.
>on May 27th out of Gatwick. We're going to spend April 27 to May 15th in the
>UK, mostly London with day trips to outlying areas and then 6 or 7 days in
>Scotland. We'll probably choose Glasgow or Edinburgh to stay every night,
>but see the other city also, and maybe some outlying areas. We've never
>been to Scotland, but we spent 3 weeks in London 5 years ago and feel we
>need another 10 to 14 days to finish seeing it. On May 15 we board a cruise
>ship in Copenhagen which departs at 9pm for a 10 night Baltic sea journey,
>returning to Copenhagen. We have yet to make transportation arrangements
>to Scotland and to Copenhagen.
>
>Some of these questions are answered by travel guides, but the guide could
>easily be out of date too.
>
>1. Regarding Glasgow vs Edinburgh, which city would you suggest we stay in?
>We actually hope to find a furnished apartment (flat) for our stay there to avoid
>having to continually search for restaurants. We're healthy and walking is
>easy for us. We enjoy going to museums and parks. We're not interested
>in any "nightlife".
>[/color]

Both cities have a lot to offer given your interests: Edinburgh is the
more immediately attractive and historic city, with its castle right
in the middle, and it's very walkable in the centre so long as you
don't mind a lot of climbing up and down.
[color=blue]
>2. Train or plain? Which way to get to Scotland? We're leaning towards the
>train as the flight from the U.S. will be long enough, plus in the U.S. travelling
>by train is pretty rare, unless you live in one of the big eastern cities. We're
>from the west. So travelling by train would be a new experience.
>[/color]

Train is a nice journey; if you take the GNER line (see my post in the
earlier thread that you started) from York northwards there are some
very fine views and you will see the best of them looking out of the
east side of the train.
[color=blue]
>2A. If by train, do we need advance reservations like we need on a plane?
>Does the fare change by how far in advance you purchase tickets, like
>flying, or is the fare always the same?
>[/color]

You don't need advance reservations but, as with air travel, the fares
are usually much cheaper if you book in advance and commit yourself to
a particular train. It's best to book directly with the train
operators' websites - again see my posting in the earlier thread
[color=blue]
>2B. Say we're travelling central London to central Edinburgh, how much longer,
>door to door, does it take by train than by plane, assuming it takes longer?
>[/color]

Depends where in London, particularly, but about an extra 1.5 hours
sounds right
[color=blue]
>3. I've been looking at air fares from Scotland to Copenhagen and then
>back to London and thei're pretty high. So then I looked at fares from London
>to Copenhagen and back and they're pretty reasonable, but they don't go
>back to Gatwick. They use either London City Airport or Heathrow. Is
>there good frequent transportation from these two airports to Gatwick, as my
>departure out of Gatwick is at 1:50pm?
>[/color]

Heathrow to Gatwick is easiest done by bus - at least twice an hour,
takes about an hour, but do leave some extra time just in case it gets
delayed onthe motorway.

London City to Gatwick is best done by bus to Canning Town station,
Jubilee Line tube to London Bridge, then Thameslink train to Gatwick:
this was my hunch but is also confirmed by LCY's website at
[url]http://www.londoncityairport.com/transport/index.htm[/url]
[color=blue]
>3A. My 1999 London tube map shows LCY being served only by a rail
>line. Is this still true? I've read that the tube system has been expanded
>in recent years. So what's the best way to get to and from LCY?
>[/color]

Not the tube, but the Docklands Light Railway is opening a line
directly to the airpot very soon. The Jubilee Line extension which
runs to Canning Town opened just in time for the millenium so probably
is marked as under construction on your 1999 map.
[color=blue]
>4. What are some good day trips from London? We've heard about
>Canterbury, Oxford, and Stratford-on-Avon. (Allright, I've haven't done
>any research on this subject
>[/color]

Those are all good choices - even if they follow a fairly standard
itinerary; if you are interested in seeing some English countryside,
somewhere like the New Forest or Suffolk would be worth a visit.

York is a feasible day trip from London, but is also on your route to
Scotland if you take the train from London to Edinburgh, so you might
investigate stopping there on your journey north

Martin
Rispondi citando Condividi su facebook
  #14  
Vecchio 26-10-2005, 13.04.29
Martin Rich
 
Messaggi: n/a
Predefinito Re: Questions about UK Travel Part 2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:54:40 -0700, "rvfulltime (was xenman)"
<rvfulltime@_removeme_isp.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You guys were helpfull in my last post, thanks. Now I have some more questions.
>
>Background... We are flying into Gatwick on April 26th and returning to the U.S.
>on May 27th out of Gatwick. We're going to spend April 27 to May 15th in the
>UK, mostly London with day trips to outlying areas and then 6 or 7 days in
>Scotland. We'll probably choose Glasgow or Edinburgh to stay every night,
>but see the other city also, and maybe some outlying areas. We've never
>been to Scotland, but we spent 3 weeks in London 5 years ago and feel we
>need another 10 to 14 days to finish seeing it. On May 15 we board a cruise
>ship in Copenhagen which departs at 9pm for a 10 night Baltic sea journey,
>returning to Copenhagen. We have yet to make transportation arrangements
>to Scotland and to Copenhagen.
>
>Some of these questions are answered by travel guides, but the guide could
>easily be out of date too.
>
>1. Regarding Glasgow vs Edinburgh, which city would you suggest we stay in?
>We actually hope to find a furnished apartment (flat) for our stay there to avoid
>having to continually search for restaurants. We're healthy and walking is
>easy for us. We enjoy going to museums and parks. We're not interested
>in any "nightlife".
>[/color]

Both cities have a lot to offer given your interests: Edinburgh is the
more immediately attractive and historic city, with its castle right
in the middle, and it's very walkable in the centre so long as you
don't mind a lot of climbing up and down.
[color=blue]
>2. Train or plain? Which way to get to Scotland? We're leaning towards the
>train as the flight from the U.S. will be long enough, plus in the U.S. travelling
>by train is pretty rare, unless you live in one of the big eastern cities. We're
>from the west. So travelling by train would be a new experience.
>[/color]

Train is a nice journey; if you take the GNER line (see my post in the
earlier thread that you started) from York northwards there are some
very fine views and you will see the best of them looking out of the
east side of the train.
[color=blue]
>2A. If by train, do we need advance reservations like we need on a plane?
>Does the fare change by how far in advance you purchase tickets, like
>flying, or is the fare always the same?
>[/color]

You don't need advance reservations but, as with air travel, the fares
are usually much cheaper if you book in advance and commit yourself to
a particular train. It's best to book directly with the train
operators' websites - again see my posting in the earlier thread
[color=blue]
>2B. Say we're travelling central London to central Edinburgh, how much longer,
>door to door, does it take by train than by plane, assuming it takes longer?
>[/color]

Depends where in London, particularly, but about an extra 1.5 hours
sounds right
[color=blue]
>3. I've been looking at air fares from Scotland to Copenhagen and then
>back to London and thei're pretty high. So then I looked at fares from London
>to Copenhagen and back and they're pretty reasonable, but they don't go
>back to Gatwick. They use either London City Airport or Heathrow. Is
>there good frequent transportation from these two airports to Gatwick, as my
>departure out of Gatwick is at 1:50pm?
>[/color]

Heathrow to Gatwick is easiest done by bus - at least twice an hour,
takes about an hour, but do leave some extra time just in case it gets
delayed onthe motorway.

London City to Gatwick is best done by bus to Canning Town station,
Jubilee Line tube to London Bridge, then Thameslink train to Gatwick:
this was my hunch but is also confirmed by LCY's website at
[url]http://www.londoncityairport.com/transport/index.htm[/url]
[color=blue]
>3A. My 1999 London tube map shows LCY being served only by a rail
>line. Is this still true? I've read that the tube system has been expanded
>in recent years. So what's the best way to get to and from LCY?
>[/color]

Not the tube, but the Docklands Light Railway is opening a line
directly to the airpot very soon. The Jubilee Line extension which
runs to Canning Town opened just in time for the millenium so probably
is marked as under construction on your 1999 map.
[color=blue]
>4. What are some good day trips from London? We've heard about
>Canterbury, Oxford, and Stratford-on-Avon. (Allright, I've haven't done
>any research on this subject
>[/color]

Those are all good choices - even if they follow a fairly standard
itinerary; if you are interested in seeing some English countryside,
somewhere like the New Forest or Suffolk would be worth a visit.

York is a feasible day trip from London, but is also on your route to
Scotland if you take the train from London to Edinburgh, so you might
investigate stopping there on your journey north

Martin
Rispondi citando Condividi su facebook
  #15  
Vecchio 26-10-2005, 13.04.29
Martin Rich
 
Messaggi: n/a
Predefinito Re: Questions about UK Travel Part 2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:54:40 -0700, "rvfulltime (was xenman)"
<rvfulltime@_removeme_isp.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You guys were helpfull in my last post, thanks. Now I have some more questions.
>
>Background... We are flying into Gatwick on April 26th and returning to the U.S.
>on May 27th out of Gatwick. We're going to spend April 27 to May 15th in the
>UK, mostly London with day trips to outlying areas and then 6 or 7 days in
>Scotland. We'll probably choose Glasgow or Edinburgh to stay every night,
>but see the other city also, and maybe some outlying areas. We've never
>been to Scotland, but we spent 3 weeks in London 5 years ago and feel we
>need another 10 to 14 days to finish seeing it. On May 15 we board a cruise
>ship in Copenhagen which departs at 9pm for a 10 night Baltic sea journey,
>returning to Copenhagen. We have yet to make transportation arrangements
>to Scotland and to Copenhagen.
>
>Some of these questions are answered by travel guides, but the guide could
>easily be out of date too.
>
>1. Regarding Glasgow vs Edinburgh, which city would you suggest we stay in?
>We actually hope to find a furnished apartment (flat) for our stay there to avoid
>having to continually search for restaurants. We're healthy and walking is
>easy for us. We enjoy going to museums and parks. We're not interested
>in any "nightlife".
>[/color]

Both cities have a lot to offer given your interests: Edinburgh is the
more immediately attractive and historic city, with its castle right
in the middle, and it's very walkable in the centre so long as you
don't mind a lot of climbing up and down.
[color=blue]
>2. Train or plain? Which way to get to Scotland? We're leaning towards the
>train as the flight from the U.S. will be long enough, plus in the U.S. travelling
>by train is pretty rare, unless you live in one of the big eastern cities. We're
>from the west. So travelling by train would be a new experience.
>[/color]

Train is a nice journey; if you take the GNER line (see my post in the
earlier thread that you started) from York northwards there are some
very fine views and you will see the best of them looking out of the
east side of the train.
[color=blue]
>2A. If by train, do we need advance reservations like we need on a plane?
>Does the fare change by how far in advance you purchase tickets, like
>flying, or is the fare always the same?
>[/color]

You don't need advance reservations but, as with air travel, the fares
are usually much cheaper if you book in advance and commit yourself to
a particular train. It's best to book directly with the train
operators' websites - again see my posting in the earlier thread
[color=blue]
>2B. Say we're travelling central London to central Edinburgh, how much longer,
>door to door, does it take by train than by plane, assuming it takes longer?
>[/color]

Depends where in London, particularly, but about an extra 1.5 hours
sounds right
[color=blue]
>3. I've been looking at air fares from Scotland to Copenhagen and then
>back to London and thei're pretty high. So then I looked at fares from London
>to Copenhagen and back and they're pretty reasonable, but they don't go
>back to Gatwick. They use either London City Airport or Heathrow. Is
>there good frequent transportation from these two airports to Gatwick, as my
>departure out of Gatwick is at 1:50pm?
>[/color]

Heathrow to Gatwick is easiest done by bus - at least twice an hour,
takes about an hour, but do leave some extra time just in case it gets
delayed onthe motorway.

London City to Gatwick is best done by bus to Canning Town station,
Jubilee Line tube to London Bridge, then Thameslink train to Gatwick:
this was my hunch but is also confirmed by LCY's website at
[url]http://www.londoncityairport.com/transport/index.htm[/url]
[color=blue]
>3A. My 1999 London tube map shows LCY being served only by a rail
>line. Is this still true? I've read that the tube system has been expanded
>in recent years. So what's the best way to get to and from LCY?
>[/color]

Not the tube, but the Docklands Light Railway is opening a line
directly to the airpot very soon. The Jubilee Line extension which
runs to Canning Town opened just in time for the millenium so probably
is marked as under construction on your 1999 map.
[color=blue]
>4. What are some good day trips from London? We've heard about
>Canterbury, Oxford, and Stratford-on-Avon. (Allright, I've haven't done
>any research on this subject
>[/color]

Those are all good choices - even if they follow a fairly standard
itinerary; if you are interested in seeing some English countryside,
somewhere like the New Forest or Suffolk would be worth a visit.

York is a feasible day trip from London, but is also on your route to
Scotland if you take the train from London to Edinburgh, so you might
investigate stopping there on your journey north

Martin
Rispondi citando Condividi su facebook
  #16  
Vecchio 26-10-2005, 13.41.33
Keith Anderson
 
Messaggi: n/a
Predefinito Re: Questions about UK Travel Part 2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:54:40 -0700, "rvfulltime (was xenman)"
<rvfulltime@_removeme_isp.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You guys were helpfull in my last post, thanks. Now I have some more questions.
>
>Background... We are flying into Gatwick on April 26th and returning to the U.S.
>on May 27th out of Gatwick. We're going to spend April 27 to May 15th in the
>UK, mostly London with day trips to outlying areas and then 6 or 7 days in
>Scotland. We'll probably choose Glasgow or Edinburgh to stay every night,
>but see the other city also, and maybe some outlying areas.[/color]

Depending very much on your interests, it's the "outlying areas" that
contain the real scenic regions. The West Highland railway from
Glasgow to Fort William and Mallaig provides stunning views of
mountains and moors; the route from Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh
similarly.
[color=blue]
> We've never
>been to Scotland, but we spent 3 weeks in London 5 years ago and feel we
>need another 10 to 14 days to finish seeing it. On May 15 we board a cruise
>ship in Copenhagen which departs at 9pm for a 10 night Baltic sea journey,
>returning to Copenhagen. We have yet to make transportation arrangements
>to Scotland and to Copenhagen.
>
>Some of these questions are answered by travel guides, but the guide could
>easily be out of date too.
>
>1. Regarding Glasgow vs Edinburgh, which city would you suggest we stay in?
>We actually hope to find a furnished apartment (flat) for our stay there to avoid
>having to continually search for restaurants. We're healthy and walking is
>easy for us. We enjoy going to museums and parks. We're not interested
>in any "nightlife".[/color]

Edinburgh is much more elegant than Glasgow, but Glasgow has some fine
museums:

[url]http://www.glasgowmuseums.com/[/url][color=blue]
>
>2. Train or plain? Which way to get to Scotland? We're leaning towards the
>train as the flight from the U.S. will be long enough, plus in the U.S. travelling
>by train is pretty rare, unless you live in one of the big eastern cities. We're
>from the west. So travelling by train would be a new experience.[/color]

There are two main rail routes to Scotland: GNER trains from London
Kings Cross (the East Coast route)

[url]http://www.gner.co.uk/GNER[/url]


and from London Euston (the West Coast route).

[url]http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/travelling_with_us/our_network/timetables/default.aspx[/url]

Timetable VT 6

The East Coast route is faster and more frequent,, but the West Coast
route is the more scenic of the two.[color=blue]
>
>2A. If by train, do we need advance reservations like we need on a plane?
>Does the fare change by how far in advance you purchase tickets, like
>flying, or is the fare always the same?[/color]

It's cheaper if you book in advance and the price will include a
reservation. However, advance booking limits you to a particular
service. "Saver" and "Supersaver" tickets can be bought on the day but
are more expensive and not valid on what are regarded as "peak"
services.

"Open" tickets cost an arm and a leg![color=blue]
>
>2B. Say we're travelling central London to central Edinburgh, how much longer,
>door to door, does it take by train than by plane, assuming it takes longer?
>
>3. I've been looking at air fares from Scotland to Copenhagen and then
>back to London and thei're pretty high. So then I looked at fares from London
>to Copenhagen and back and they're pretty reasonable, but they don't go
>back to Gatwick. They use either London City Airport or Heathrow. Is
>there good frequent transportation from these two airports to Gatwick, as my
>departure out of Gatwick is at 1:50pm?
>
>3A. My 1999 London tube map shows LCY being served only by a rail
>line. Is this still true? I've read that the tube system has been expanded
>in recent years. So what's the best way to get to and from LCY?
>
>4. What are some good day trips from London? We've heard about
>Canterbury, Oxford, and Stratford-on-Avon. (Allright, I've haven't done
>any research on this subject[/color]

Cambridge (like Oxford, an ancient University city) could go on the
list.Go for a "day return" ticket on the day - but these tickets are
only valid after 09:30 or 10:00

[url]http://www.visitcambridge.org/visitors/[/url]

Bath - about 1½ hrs from London, but don't go too early or you'll have
to use peak hour trains and the costs will rise accordingly. Bath has
the Roman Baths Museum (expensive admission) and much elegant 18th
century architecture. It's a UNESCO World Heritage site.

Make sure you see Queen Square, the Circus (a circular street, based
on the Collosseum in Rome) and Royal Crescent. Access to the Pump
Rooms and the Upper Assembly Rooms is free, although in the Assemble
Rooms some rooms are closed off for fuctions/receptions from time to
time.

[url]http://visitbath.co.uk/site/home[/url]

Salisbury and Winchester could go on the list as well. Access by
public transport to the prehistoric stone circle at Stonehenge is via
Salisbury.

[url]http://www.stonehenge.org.uk/trans/buses.shtml[/url]

[color=blue]
>
>Thanks in advance. No email please.[/color]



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Keith Anderson
 
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Predefinito Re: Questions about UK Travel Part 2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:54:40 -0700, "rvfulltime (was xenman)"
<rvfulltime@_removeme_isp.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You guys were helpfull in my last post, thanks. Now I have some more questions.
>
>Background... We are flying into Gatwick on April 26th and returning to the U.S.
>on May 27th out of Gatwick. We're going to spend April 27 to May 15th in the
>UK, mostly London with day trips to outlying areas and then 6 or 7 days in
>Scotland. We'll probably choose Glasgow or Edinburgh to stay every night,
>but see the other city also, and maybe some outlying areas.[/color]

Depending very much on your interests, it's the "outlying areas" that
contain the real scenic regions. The West Highland railway from
Glasgow to Fort William and Mallaig provides stunning views of
mountains and moors; the route from Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh
similarly.
[color=blue]
> We've never
>been to Scotland, but we spent 3 weeks in London 5 years ago and feel we
>need another 10 to 14 days to finish seeing it. On May 15 we board a cruise
>ship in Copenhagen which departs at 9pm for a 10 night Baltic sea journey,
>returning to Copenhagen. We have yet to make transportation arrangements
>to Scotland and to Copenhagen.
>
>Some of these questions are answered by travel guides, but the guide could
>easily be out of date too.
>
>1. Regarding Glasgow vs Edinburgh, which city would you suggest we stay in?
>We actually hope to find a furnished apartment (flat) for our stay there to avoid
>having to continually search for restaurants. We're healthy and walking is
>easy for us. We enjoy going to museums and parks. We're not interested
>in any "nightlife".[/color]

Edinburgh is much more elegant than Glasgow, but Glasgow has some fine
museums:

[url]http://www.glasgowmuseums.com/[/url][color=blue]
>
>2. Train or plain? Which way to get to Scotland? We're leaning towards the
>train as the flight from the U.S. will be long enough, plus in the U.S. travelling
>by train is pretty rare, unless you live in one of the big eastern cities. We're
>from the west. So travelling by train would be a new experience.[/color]

There are two main rail routes to Scotland: GNER trains from London
Kings Cross (the East Coast route)

[url]http://www.gner.co.uk/GNER[/url]


and from London Euston (the West Coast route).

[url]http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/travelling_with_us/our_network/timetables/default.aspx[/url]

Timetable VT 6

The East Coast route is faster and more frequent,, but the West Coast
route is the more scenic of the two.[color=blue]
>
>2A. If by train, do we need advance reservations like we need on a plane?
>Does the fare change by how far in advance you purchase tickets, like
>flying, or is the fare always the same?[/color]

It's cheaper if you book in advance and the price will include a
reservation. However, advance booking limits you to a particular
service. "Saver" and "Supersaver" tickets can be bought on the day but
are more expensive and not valid on what are regarded as "peak"
services.

"Open" tickets cost an arm and a leg![color=blue]
>
>2B. Say we're travelling central London to central Edinburgh, how much longer,
>door to door, does it take by train than by plane, assuming it takes longer?
>
>3. I've been looking at air fares from Scotland to Copenhagen and then
>back to London and thei're pretty high. So then I looked at fares from London
>to Copenhagen and back and they're pretty reasonable, but they don't go
>back to Gatwick. They use either London City Airport or Heathrow. Is
>there good frequent transportation from these two airports to Gatwick, as my
>departure out of Gatwick is at 1:50pm?
>
>3A. My 1999 London tube map shows LCY being served only by a rail
>line. Is this still true? I've read that the tube system has been expanded
>in recent years. So what's the best way to get to and from LCY?
>
>4. What are some good day trips from London? We've heard about
>Canterbury, Oxford, and Stratford-on-Avon. (Allright, I've haven't done
>any research on this subject[/color]

Cambridge (like Oxford, an ancient University city) could go on the
list.Go for a "day return" ticket on the day - but these tickets are
only valid after 09:30 or 10:00

[url]http://www.visitcambridge.org/visitors/[/url]

Bath - about 1½ hrs from London, but don't go too early or you'll have
to use peak hour trains and the costs will rise accordingly. Bath has
the Roman Baths Museum (expensive admission) and much elegant 18th
century architecture. It's a UNESCO World Heritage site.

Make sure you see Queen Square, the Circus (a circular street, based
on the Collosseum in Rome) and Royal Crescent. Access to the Pump
Rooms and the Upper Assembly Rooms is free, although in the Assemble
Rooms some rooms are closed off for fuctions/receptions from time to
time.

[url]http://visitbath.co.uk/site/home[/url]

Salisbury and Winchester could go on the list as well. Access by
public transport to the prehistoric stone circle at Stonehenge is via
Salisbury.

[url]http://www.stonehenge.org.uk/trans/buses.shtml[/url]

[color=blue]
>
>Thanks in advance. No email please.[/color]



Keith, Bristol, UK

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Keith Anderson
 
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Predefinito Re: Questions about UK Travel Part 2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:54:40 -0700, "rvfulltime (was xenman)"
<rvfulltime@_removeme_isp.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You guys were helpfull in my last post, thanks. Now I have some more questions.
>
>Background... We are flying into Gatwick on April 26th and returning to the U.S.
>on May 27th out of Gatwick. We're going to spend April 27 to May 15th in the
>UK, mostly London with day trips to outlying areas and then 6 or 7 days in
>Scotland. We'll probably choose Glasgow or Edinburgh to stay every night,
>but see the other city also, and maybe some outlying areas.[/color]

Depending very much on your interests, it's the "outlying areas" that
contain the real scenic regions. The West Highland railway from
Glasgow to Fort William and Mallaig provides stunning views of
mountains and moors; the route from Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh
similarly.
[color=blue]
> We've never
>been to Scotland, but we spent 3 weeks in London 5 years ago and feel we
>need another 10 to 14 days to finish seeing it. On May 15 we board a cruise
>ship in Copenhagen which departs at 9pm for a 10 night Baltic sea journey,
>returning to Copenhagen. We have yet to make transportation arrangements
>to Scotland and to Copenhagen.
>
>Some of these questions are answered by travel guides, but the guide could
>easily be out of date too.
>
>1. Regarding Glasgow vs Edinburgh, which city would you suggest we stay in?
>We actually hope to find a furnished apartment (flat) for our stay there to avoid
>having to continually search for restaurants. We're healthy and walking is
>easy for us. We enjoy going to museums and parks. We're not interested
>in any "nightlife".[/color]

Edinburgh is much more elegant than Glasgow, but Glasgow has some fine
museums:

[url]http://www.glasgowmuseums.com/[/url][color=blue]
>
>2. Train or plain? Which way to get to Scotland? We're leaning towards the
>train as the flight from the U.S. will be long enough, plus in the U.S. travelling
>by train is pretty rare, unless you live in one of the big eastern cities. We're
>from the west. So travelling by train would be a new experience.[/color]

There are two main rail routes to Scotland: GNER trains from London
Kings Cross (the East Coast route)

[url]http://www.gner.co.uk/GNER[/url]


and from London Euston (the West Coast route).

[url]http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/travelling_with_us/our_network/timetables/default.aspx[/url]

Timetable VT 6

The East Coast route is faster and more frequent,, but the West Coast
route is the more scenic of the two.[color=blue]
>
>2A. If by train, do we need advance reservations like we need on a plane?
>Does the fare change by how far in advance you purchase tickets, like
>flying, or is the fare always the same?[/color]

It's cheaper if you book in advance and the price will include a
reservation. However, advance booking limits you to a particular
service. "Saver" and "Supersaver" tickets can be bought on the day but
are more expensive and not valid on what are regarded as "peak"
services.

"Open" tickets cost an arm and a leg![color=blue]
>
>2B. Say we're travelling central London to central Edinburgh, how much longer,
>door to door, does it take by train than by plane, assuming it takes longer?
>
>3. I've been looking at air fares from Scotland to Copenhagen and then
>back to London and thei're pretty high. So then I looked at fares from London
>to Copenhagen and back and they're pretty reasonable, but they don't go
>back to Gatwick. They use either London City Airport or Heathrow. Is
>there good frequent transportation from these two airports to Gatwick, as my
>departure out of Gatwick is at 1:50pm?
>
>3A. My 1999 London tube map shows LCY being served only by a rail
>line. Is this still true? I've read that the tube system has been expanded
>in recent years. So what's the best way to get to and from LCY?
>
>4. What are some good day trips from London? We've heard about
>Canterbury, Oxford, and Stratford-on-Avon. (Allright, I've haven't done
>any research on this subject[/color]

Cambridge (like Oxford, an ancient University city) could go on the
list.Go for a "day return" ticket on the day - but these tickets are
only valid after 09:30 or 10:00

[url]http://www.visitcambridge.org/visitors/[/url]

Bath - about 1½ hrs from London, but don't go too early or you'll have
to use peak hour trains and the costs will rise accordingly. Bath has
the Roman Baths Museum (expensive admission) and much elegant 18th
century architecture. It's a UNESCO World Heritage site.

Make sure you see Queen Square, the Circus (a circular street, based
on the Collosseum in Rome) and Royal Crescent. Access to the Pump
Rooms and the Upper Assembly Rooms is free, although in the Assemble
Rooms some rooms are closed off for fuctions/receptions from time to
time.

[url]http://visitbath.co.uk/site/home[/url]

Salisbury and Winchester could go on the list as well. Access by
public transport to the prehistoric stone circle at Stonehenge is via
Salisbury.

[url]http://www.stonehenge.org.uk/trans/buses.shtml[/url]

[color=blue]
>
>Thanks in advance. No email please.[/color]



Keith, Bristol, UK

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Vecchio 26-10-2005, 13.41.33
Keith Anderson
 
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Predefinito Re: Questions about UK Travel Part 2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:54:40 -0700, "rvfulltime (was xenman)"
<rvfulltime@_removeme_isp.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You guys were helpfull in my last post, thanks. Now I have some more questions.
>
>Background... We are flying into Gatwick on April 26th and returning to the U.S.
>on May 27th out of Gatwick. We're going to spend April 27 to May 15th in the
>UK, mostly London with day trips to outlying areas and then 6 or 7 days in
>Scotland. We'll probably choose Glasgow or Edinburgh to stay every night,
>but see the other city also, and maybe some outlying areas.[/color]

Depending very much on your interests, it's the "outlying areas" that
contain the real scenic regions. The West Highland railway from
Glasgow to Fort William and Mallaig provides stunning views of
mountains and moors; the route from Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh
similarly.
[color=blue]
> We've never
>been to Scotland, but we spent 3 weeks in London 5 years ago and feel we
>need another 10 to 14 days to finish seeing it. On May 15 we board a cruise
>ship in Copenhagen which departs at 9pm for a 10 night Baltic sea journey,
>returning to Copenhagen. We have yet to make transportation arrangements
>to Scotland and to Copenhagen.
>
>Some of these questions are answered by travel guides, but the guide could
>easily be out of date too.
>
>1. Regarding Glasgow vs Edinburgh, which city would you suggest we stay in?
>We actually hope to find a furnished apartment (flat) for our stay there to avoid
>having to continually search for restaurants. We're healthy and walking is
>easy for us. We enjoy going to museums and parks. We're not interested
>in any "nightlife".[/color]

Edinburgh is much more elegant than Glasgow, but Glasgow has some fine
museums:

[url]http://www.glasgowmuseums.com/[/url][color=blue]
>
>2. Train or plain? Which way to get to Scotland? We're leaning towards the
>train as the flight from the U.S. will be long enough, plus in the U.S. travelling
>by train is pretty rare, unless you live in one of the big eastern cities. We're
>from the west. So travelling by train would be a new experience.[/color]

There are two main rail routes to Scotland: GNER trains from London
Kings Cross (the East Coast route)

[url]http://www.gner.co.uk/GNER[/url]


and from London Euston (the West Coast route).

[url]http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/travelling_with_us/our_network/timetables/default.aspx[/url]

Timetable VT 6

The East Coast route is faster and more frequent,, but the West Coast
route is the more scenic of the two.[color=blue]
>
>2A. If by train, do we need advance reservations like we need on a plane?
>Does the fare change by how far in advance you purchase tickets, like
>flying, or is the fare always the same?[/color]

It's cheaper if you book in advance and the price will include a
reservation. However, advance booking limits you to a particular
service. "Saver" and "Supersaver" tickets can be bought on the day but
are more expensive and not valid on what are regarded as "peak"
services.

"Open" tickets cost an arm and a leg![color=blue]
>
>2B. Say we're travelling central London to central Edinburgh, how much longer,
>door to door, does it take by train than by plane, assuming it takes longer?
>
>3. I've been looking at air fares from Scotland to Copenhagen and then
>back to London and thei're pretty high. So then I looked at fares from London
>to Copenhagen and back and they're pretty reasonable, but they don't go
>back to Gatwick. They use either London City Airport or Heathrow. Is
>there good frequent transportation from these two airports to Gatwick, as my
>departure out of Gatwick is at 1:50pm?
>
>3A. My 1999 London tube map shows LCY being served only by a rail
>line. Is this still true? I've read that the tube system has been expanded
>in recent years. So what's the best way to get to and from LCY?
>
>4. What are some good day trips from London? We've heard about
>Canterbury, Oxford, and Stratford-on-Avon. (Allright, I've haven't done
>any research on this subject[/color]

Cambridge (like Oxford, an ancient University city) could go on the
list.Go for a "day return" ticket on the day - but these tickets are
only valid after 09:30 or 10:00

[url]http://www.visitcambridge.org/visitors/[/url]

Bath - about 1½ hrs from London, but don't go too early or you'll have
to use peak hour trains and the costs will rise accordingly. Bath has
the Roman Baths Museum (expensive admission) and much elegant 18th
century architecture. It's a UNESCO World Heritage site.

Make sure you see Queen Square, the Circus (a circular street, based
on the Collosseum in Rome) and Royal Crescent. Access to the Pump
Rooms and the Upper Assembly Rooms is free, although in the Assemble
Rooms some rooms are closed off for fuctions/receptions from time to
time.

[url]http://visitbath.co.uk/site/home[/url]

Salisbury and Winchester could go on the list as well. Access by
public transport to the prehistoric stone circle at Stonehenge is via
Salisbury.

[url]http://www.stonehenge.org.uk/trans/buses.shtml[/url]

[color=blue]
>
>Thanks in advance. No email please.[/color]



Keith, Bristol, UK

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Keith Anderson
 
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Predefinito Re: Questions about UK Travel Part 2

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:54:40 -0700, "rvfulltime (was xenman)"
<rvfulltime@_removeme_isp.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You guys were helpfull in my last post, thanks. Now I have some more questions.
>
>Background... We are flying into Gatwick on April 26th and returning to the U.S.
>on May 27th out of Gatwick. We're going to spend April 27 to May 15th in the
>UK, mostly London with day trips to outlying areas and then 6 or 7 days in
>Scotland. We'll probably choose Glasgow or Edinburgh to stay every night,
>but see the other city also, and maybe some outlying areas.[/color]

Depending very much on your interests, it's the "outlying areas" that
contain the real scenic regions. The West Highland railway from
Glasgow to Fort William and Mallaig provides stunning views of
mountains and moors; the route from Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh
similarly.
[color=blue]
> We've never
>been to Scotland, but we spent 3 weeks in London 5 years ago and feel we
>need another 10 to 14 days to finish seeing it. On May 15 we board a cruise
>ship in Copenhagen which departs at 9pm for a 10 night Baltic sea journey,
>returning to Copenhagen. We have yet to make transportation arrangements
>to Scotland and to Copenhagen.
>
>Some of these questions are answered by travel guides, but the guide could
>easily be out of date too.
>
>1. Regarding Glasgow vs Edinburgh, which city would you suggest we stay in?
>We actually hope to find a furnished apartment (flat) for our stay there to avoid
>having to continually search for restaurants. We're healthy and walking is
>easy for us. We enjoy going to museums and parks. We're not interested
>in any "nightlife".[/color]

Edinburgh is much more elegant than Glasgow, but Glasgow has some fine
museums:

[url]http://www.glasgowmuseums.com/[/url][color=blue]
>
>2. Train or plain? Which way to get to Scotland? We're leaning towards the
>train as the flight from the U.S. will be long enough, plus in the U.S. travelling
>by train is pretty rare, unless you live in one of the big eastern cities. We're
>from the west. So travelling by train would be a new experience.[/color]

There are two main rail routes to Scotland: GNER trains from London
Kings Cross (the East Coast route)

[url]http://www.gner.co.uk/GNER[/url]


and from London Euston (the West Coast route).

[url]http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/travelling_with_us/our_network/timetables/default.aspx[/url]

Timetable VT 6

The East Coast route is faster and more frequent,, but the West Coast
route is the more scenic of the two.[color=blue]
>
>2A. If by train, do we need advance reservations like we need on a plane?
>Does the fare change by how far in advance you purchase tickets, like
>flying, or is the fare always the same?[/color]

It's cheaper if you book in advance and the price will include a
reservation. However, advance booking limits you to a particular
service. "Saver" and "Supersaver" tickets can be bought on the day but
are more expensive and not valid on what are regarded as "peak"
services.

"Open" tickets cost an arm and a leg![color=blue]
>
>2B. Say we're travelling central London to central Edinburgh, how much longer,
>door to door, does it take by train than by plane, assuming it takes longer?
>
>3. I've been looking at air fares from Scotland to Copenhagen and then
>back to London and thei're pretty high. So then I looked at fares from London
>to Copenhagen and back and they're pretty reasonable, but they don't go
>back to Gatwick. They use either London City Airport or Heathrow. Is
>there good frequent transportation from these two airports to Gatwick, as my
>departure out of Gatwick is at 1:50pm?
>
>3A. My 1999 London tube map shows LCY being served only by a rail
>line. Is this still true? I've read that the tube system has been expanded
>in recent years. So what's the best way to get to and from LCY?
>
>4. What are some good day trips from London? We've heard about
>Canterbury, Oxford, and Stratford-on-Avon. (Allright, I've haven't done
>any research on this subject[/color]

Cambridge (like Oxford, an ancient University city) could go on the
list.Go for a "day return" ticket on the day - but these tickets are
only valid after 09:30 or 10:00

[url]http://www.visitcambridge.org/visitors/[/url]

Bath - about 1½ hrs from London, but don't go too early or you'll have
to use peak hour trains and the costs will rise accordingly. Bath has
the Roman Baths Museum (expensive admission) and much elegant 18th
century architecture. It's a UNESCO World Heritage site.

Make sure you see Queen Square, the Circus (a circular street, based
on the Collosseum in Rome) and Royal Crescent. Access to the Pump
Rooms and the Upper Assembly Rooms is free, although in the Assemble
Rooms some rooms are closed off for fuctions/receptions from time to
time.

[url]http://visitbath.co.uk/site/home[/url]

Salisbury and Winchester could go on the list as well. Access by
public transport to the prehistoric stone circle at Stonehenge is via
Salisbury.

[url]http://www.stonehenge.org.uk/trans/buses.shtml[/url]

[color=blue]
>
>Thanks in advance. No email please.[/color]



Keith, Bristol, UK

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