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Vecchio 06-08-2012, 13.38.02
Martin
 
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Predefinito Re: Olympic lanes

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:54:45 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman
<alanspencer3@googlemail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Sunday, August 5, 2012 4:51:46 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[color=green]
>> On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:08:11 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman
>>
>> <alanspencer3@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> >On Friday, August 3, 2012 2:55:30 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:51:51 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne)[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com> wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >[][/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> I have to say that I've used Diutch trains countless times, often[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> commuting along the Rotterdam/Amsterdam line, the last series of trips[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> being a year ago, and I've always founf the service absolutely excellent.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> Equally, I have to praise the Wembley stadium system. We went to an[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> Olympic match a couple of days ago, and deliberately drove to Uxbridge so[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> as to travel onm the Metropolitan against the much more populated London[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> crowds. It was a full stadium - 80,000. We exited with the main crowds and[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> were 'walked' slowly but continuously down the approx. half mile of[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> Olympic Way into the station. Platforms seemed hardly crowded, including[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> those London-bound. It can't have been much for than 30/45 minutes from[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> stadium seat to train seat. I was dumbfounded, I expected pure hell.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> We sent some Dutch this morning by train from west Surrey to Greenwich[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> We Park - through and right across London. heard that their total trip was[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> We entirely trouble-free and door to seat was about 2 hours, including a[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> We 3-course breakfast at Victoria![/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> So our experience of Olympic travelling hell so far has been exactly the[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> opposite. All kudos to all concerned![/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >I expect that when there are problems it will be reported. R4 reported a[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >closure on the Central Line this morning. That would not _normally_ be[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >for national news consumption. I'm only entering London once during the[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >Olympics- next Wednesday evening, don't have to travel much within[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >London and don't expect problems...[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> A two week summer holiday in Westland is hardly a representative[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> sample of Dutch railway reliability :-)[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> --[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> Martin[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Er ... see above.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Included was many periods of commuting over some 50 years, often while resident in Den Haag.[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> A long time ago. Things are getting worse all the time.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin[/color]
>
>Can only bow to your local knowledge.
>But a year ago we did two return trips Delft/Amsterdam, one run Delft/Den Haag/Rotterdam (and a couple of Rotterdam/Brussels runs if they count), all in usual comfort and speed.
>
>Maybe, to us, Netherlands railways are just better than in UK, and you're used to even higher standards than both! :-))[/color]

I have experience going back to the 1950sof UK railways including two
years commuting on Southern Region. I've only ever had one real
problem, but then again I have only used the trains in UK twice in the
last 7 years.
The point is that two train trips on part of a route in summer are
hardly representative of 365 days of commuting. I'm judging by the
almost continuous criticism of Dutch railways in the Dutch press and
criticism in the local press of the Leiden Amsterdam route.
I commuted all through one awful winter from Leiden to Brussels. They
were trips out of hell, freezing cold carriages, no lights, no
food/refreshments, delays, cancellations. As soon as the weather
improved we all commuted by car.
--

Martin

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  #5282  
Vecchio 06-08-2012, 13.38.02
Martin
 
Messaggi: n/a
Predefinito Re: Olympic lanes

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:54:45 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman
<alanspencer3@googlemail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Sunday, August 5, 2012 4:51:46 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[color=green]
>> On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:08:11 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman
>>
>> <alanspencer3@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> >On Friday, August 3, 2012 2:55:30 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 13:51:51 +0100, [email]d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk[/email] (David Horne)[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com> wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >[][/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> I have to say that I've used Diutch trains countless times, often[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> commuting along the Rotterdam/Amsterdam line, the last series of trips[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> being a year ago, and I've always founf the service absolutely excellent.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> Equally, I have to praise the Wembley stadium system. We went to an[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> Olympic match a couple of days ago, and deliberately drove to Uxbridge so[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> as to travel onm the Metropolitan against the much more populated London[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> crowds. It was a full stadium - 80,000. We exited with the main crowds and[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> were 'walked' slowly but continuously down the approx. half mile of[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> Olympic Way into the station. Platforms seemed hardly crowded, including[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> those London-bound. It can't have been much for than 30/45 minutes from[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> stadium seat to train seat. I was dumbfounded, I expected pure hell.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> We sent some Dutch this morning by train from west Surrey to Greenwich[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> We Park - through and right across London. heard that their total trip was[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> We entirely trouble-free and door to seat was about 2 hours, including a[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> We 3-course breakfast at Victoria![/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> So our experience of Olympic travelling hell so far has been exactly the[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >> opposite. All kudos to all concerned![/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >I expect that when there are problems it will be reported. R4 reported a[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >closure on the Central Line this morning. That would not _normally_ be[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >for national news consumption. I'm only entering London once during the[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >Olympics- next Wednesday evening, don't have to travel much within[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> >London and don't expect problems...[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> A two week summer holiday in Westland is hardly a representative[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> sample of Dutch railway reliability :-)[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> --[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> Martin[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Er ... see above.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >Included was many periods of commuting over some 50 years, often while resident in Den Haag.[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> A long time ago. Things are getting worse all the time.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin[/color]
>
>Can only bow to your local knowledge.
>But a year ago we did two return trips Delft/Amsterdam, one run Delft/Den Haag/Rotterdam (and a couple of Rotterdam/Brussels runs if they count), all in usual comfort and speed.
>
>Maybe, to us, Netherlands railways are just better than in UK, and you're used to even higher standards than both! :-))[/color]

I have experience going back to the 1950sof UK railways including two
years commuting on Southern Region. I've only ever had one real
problem, but then again I have only used the trains in UK twice in the
last 7 years.
The point is that two train trips on part of a route in summer are
hardly representative of 365 days of commuting. I'm judging by the
almost continuous criticism of Dutch railways in the Dutch press and
criticism in the local press of the Leiden Amsterdam route.
I commuted all through one awful winter from Leiden to Brussels. They
were trips out of hell, freezing cold carriages, no lights, no
food/refreshments, delays, cancellations. As soon as the weather
improved we all commuted by car.
--

Martin

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