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  #991  
Vecchio 29-11-2012, 19.11.40
Tom P
 
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On 11/16/2012 05:51 PM, tim..... wrote:[color=blue]
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> "simon calder" <thisisnotmyaddress@notmoreads.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
>> news:agmfb4Fp8jgU2@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>> On 11/16/2012 12:39 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT" <johnspamnot@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any
>>>>> identification
>>>>> within the UK and Ireland.
>>>>
>>>> Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of
>>>> Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong.
>>>>
>>>> The carriers insist on passports...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe a Brit can enlighten me.. if you fly between destinations
>>> within mainland UK, don't you need to identify yourself when you
>>> check in?
>>> What happens if you don't have a passport?[/color]
>>
>>
>> I'll try... you don't need a passport to travel around the UK.
>>
>> Do certain airlines *use* a passport to prove identity? ..... they
>> might but I doubt it's necessarily legal if they do.[/color]
>
> Most of them require "photographic ID" so that they know you haven't
> sold on the ticket to someone else.
>
> So a (new style) Driving license will suffice, but apart from that few
> (British) people will have anything else that qualifies other than a
> passport.
>
> For sea crossings to Ireland there is a legal requirement for ID to be
> shown so that they "know" who is on board if the boat sinks,[/color]

So wouldn't the same logic apply to the possibility of an aircraft crashing?

but they[color=blue]
> don't make a big fuss about it (for their own commercial reasons) like
> the airlines do. Stena state that a utility bill is sufficient.
>
> I've never been asked for ID on the "near" island crossings
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

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  #992  
Vecchio 29-11-2012, 19.11.40
Tom P
 
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On 11/16/2012 05:51 PM, tim..... wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "simon calder" <thisisnotmyaddress@notmoreads.com> wrote in message
> news:J4idnZhxEIEcsTvNnZ2dnUVZ8k6dnZ2d@bt.com...[color=green]
>> X-No-Archive:Yes
>>
>>
>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
>> news:agmfb4Fp8jgU2@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>> On 11/16/2012 12:39 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT" <johnspamnot@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any
>>>>> identification
>>>>> within the UK and Ireland.
>>>>
>>>> Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of
>>>> Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong.
>>>>
>>>> The carriers insist on passports...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe a Brit can enlighten me.. if you fly between destinations
>>> within mainland UK, don't you need to identify yourself when you
>>> check in?
>>> What happens if you don't have a passport?[/color]
>>
>>
>> I'll try... you don't need a passport to travel around the UK.
>>
>> Do certain airlines *use* a passport to prove identity? ..... they
>> might but I doubt it's necessarily legal if they do.[/color]
>
> Most of them require "photographic ID" so that they know you haven't
> sold on the ticket to someone else.
>
> So a (new style) Driving license will suffice, but apart from that few
> (British) people will have anything else that qualifies other than a
> passport.
>
> For sea crossings to Ireland there is a legal requirement for ID to be
> shown so that they "know" who is on board if the boat sinks,[/color]

So wouldn't the same logic apply to the possibility of an aircraft crashing?

but they[color=blue]
> don't make a big fuss about it (for their own commercial reasons) like
> the airlines do. Stena state that a utility bill is sufficient.
>
> I've never been asked for ID on the "near" island crossings
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

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  #993  
Vecchio 29-11-2012, 19.11.40
Tom P
 
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Predefinito Re: Enough, already!!!!!!!

On 11/16/2012 05:51 PM, tim..... wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "simon calder" <thisisnotmyaddress@notmoreads.com> wrote in message
> news:J4idnZhxEIEcsTvNnZ2dnUVZ8k6dnZ2d@bt.com...[color=green]
>> X-No-Archive:Yes
>>
>>
>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
>> news:agmfb4Fp8jgU2@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>> On 11/16/2012 12:39 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT" <johnspamnot@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any
>>>>> identification
>>>>> within the UK and Ireland.
>>>>
>>>> Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of
>>>> Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong.
>>>>
>>>> The carriers insist on passports...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe a Brit can enlighten me.. if you fly between destinations
>>> within mainland UK, don't you need to identify yourself when you
>>> check in?
>>> What happens if you don't have a passport?[/color]
>>
>>
>> I'll try... you don't need a passport to travel around the UK.
>>
>> Do certain airlines *use* a passport to prove identity? ..... they
>> might but I doubt it's necessarily legal if they do.[/color]
>
> Most of them require "photographic ID" so that they know you haven't
> sold on the ticket to someone else.
>
> So a (new style) Driving license will suffice, but apart from that few
> (British) people will have anything else that qualifies other than a
> passport.
>
> For sea crossings to Ireland there is a legal requirement for ID to be
> shown so that they "know" who is on board if the boat sinks,[/color]

So wouldn't the same logic apply to the possibility of an aircraft crashing?

but they[color=blue]
> don't make a big fuss about it (for their own commercial reasons) like
> the airlines do. Stena state that a utility bill is sufficient.
>
> I've never been asked for ID on the "near" island crossings
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

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  #994  
Vecchio 29-11-2012, 19.11.40
Tom P
 
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Predefinito Re: Enough, already!!!!!!!

On 11/16/2012 05:51 PM, tim..... wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "simon calder" <thisisnotmyaddress@notmoreads.com> wrote in message
> news:J4idnZhxEIEcsTvNnZ2dnUVZ8k6dnZ2d@bt.com...[color=green]
>> X-No-Archive:Yes
>>
>>
>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
>> news:agmfb4Fp8jgU2@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>> On 11/16/2012 12:39 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT" <johnspamnot@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any
>>>>> identification
>>>>> within the UK and Ireland.
>>>>
>>>> Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of
>>>> Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong.
>>>>
>>>> The carriers insist on passports...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe a Brit can enlighten me.. if you fly between destinations
>>> within mainland UK, don't you need to identify yourself when you
>>> check in?
>>> What happens if you don't have a passport?[/color]
>>
>>
>> I'll try... you don't need a passport to travel around the UK.
>>
>> Do certain airlines *use* a passport to prove identity? ..... they
>> might but I doubt it's necessarily legal if they do.[/color]
>
> Most of them require "photographic ID" so that they know you haven't
> sold on the ticket to someone else.
>
> So a (new style) Driving license will suffice, but apart from that few
> (British) people will have anything else that qualifies other than a
> passport.
>
> For sea crossings to Ireland there is a legal requirement for ID to be
> shown so that they "know" who is on board if the boat sinks,[/color]

So wouldn't the same logic apply to the possibility of an aircraft crashing?

but they[color=blue]
> don't make a big fuss about it (for their own commercial reasons) like
> the airlines do. Stena state that a utility bill is sufficient.
>
> I've never been asked for ID on the "near" island crossings
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

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  #995  
Vecchio 29-11-2012, 19.11.40
Tom P
 
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Predefinito Re: Enough, already!!!!!!!

On 11/16/2012 05:51 PM, tim..... wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "simon calder" <thisisnotmyaddress@notmoreads.com> wrote in message
> news:J4idnZhxEIEcsTvNnZ2dnUVZ8k6dnZ2d@bt.com...[color=green]
>> X-No-Archive:Yes
>>
>>
>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
>> news:agmfb4Fp8jgU2@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>> On 11/16/2012 12:39 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT" <johnspamnot@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any
>>>>> identification
>>>>> within the UK and Ireland.
>>>>
>>>> Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of
>>>> Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong.
>>>>
>>>> The carriers insist on passports...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe a Brit can enlighten me.. if you fly between destinations
>>> within mainland UK, don't you need to identify yourself when you
>>> check in?
>>> What happens if you don't have a passport?[/color]
>>
>>
>> I'll try... you don't need a passport to travel around the UK.
>>
>> Do certain airlines *use* a passport to prove identity? ..... they
>> might but I doubt it's necessarily legal if they do.[/color]
>
> Most of them require "photographic ID" so that they know you haven't
> sold on the ticket to someone else.
>
> So a (new style) Driving license will suffice, but apart from that few
> (British) people will have anything else that qualifies other than a
> passport.
>
> For sea crossings to Ireland there is a legal requirement for ID to be
> shown so that they "know" who is on board if the boat sinks,[/color]

So wouldn't the same logic apply to the possibility of an aircraft crashing?

but they[color=blue]
> don't make a big fuss about it (for their own commercial reasons) like
> the airlines do. Stena state that a utility bill is sufficient.
>
> I've never been asked for ID on the "near" island crossings
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

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  #996  
Vecchio 29-11-2012, 19.11.40
Tom P
 
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Predefinito Re: Enough, already!!!!!!!

On 11/16/2012 05:51 PM, tim..... wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "simon calder" <thisisnotmyaddress@notmoreads.com> wrote in message
> news:J4idnZhxEIEcsTvNnZ2dnUVZ8k6dnZ2d@bt.com...[color=green]
>> X-No-Archive:Yes
>>
>>
>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
>> news:agmfb4Fp8jgU2@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>> On 11/16/2012 12:39 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT" <johnspamnot@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any
>>>>> identification
>>>>> within the UK and Ireland.
>>>>
>>>> Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of
>>>> Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong.
>>>>
>>>> The carriers insist on passports...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe a Brit can enlighten me.. if you fly between destinations
>>> within mainland UK, don't you need to identify yourself when you
>>> check in?
>>> What happens if you don't have a passport?[/color]
>>
>>
>> I'll try... you don't need a passport to travel around the UK.
>>
>> Do certain airlines *use* a passport to prove identity? ..... they
>> might but I doubt it's necessarily legal if they do.[/color]
>
> Most of them require "photographic ID" so that they know you haven't
> sold on the ticket to someone else.
>
> So a (new style) Driving license will suffice, but apart from that few
> (British) people will have anything else that qualifies other than a
> passport.
>
> For sea crossings to Ireland there is a legal requirement for ID to be
> shown so that they "know" who is on board if the boat sinks,[/color]

So wouldn't the same logic apply to the possibility of an aircraft crashing?

but they[color=blue]
> don't make a big fuss about it (for their own commercial reasons) like
> the airlines do. Stena state that a utility bill is sufficient.
>
> I've never been asked for ID on the "near" island crossings
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

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  #997  
Vecchio 29-11-2012, 19.11.40
Tom P
 
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Predefinito Re: Enough, already!!!!!!!

On 11/16/2012 05:51 PM, tim..... wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "simon calder" <thisisnotmyaddress@notmoreads.com> wrote in message
> news:J4idnZhxEIEcsTvNnZ2dnUVZ8k6dnZ2d@bt.com...[color=green]
>> X-No-Archive:Yes
>>
>>
>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
>> news:agmfb4Fp8jgU2@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>> On 11/16/2012 12:39 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT" <johnspamnot@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any
>>>>> identification
>>>>> within the UK and Ireland.
>>>>
>>>> Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of
>>>> Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong.
>>>>
>>>> The carriers insist on passports...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe a Brit can enlighten me.. if you fly between destinations
>>> within mainland UK, don't you need to identify yourself when you
>>> check in?
>>> What happens if you don't have a passport?[/color]
>>
>>
>> I'll try... you don't need a passport to travel around the UK.
>>
>> Do certain airlines *use* a passport to prove identity? ..... they
>> might but I doubt it's necessarily legal if they do.[/color]
>
> Most of them require "photographic ID" so that they know you haven't
> sold on the ticket to someone else.
>
> So a (new style) Driving license will suffice, but apart from that few
> (British) people will have anything else that qualifies other than a
> passport.
>
> For sea crossings to Ireland there is a legal requirement for ID to be
> shown so that they "know" who is on board if the boat sinks,[/color]

So wouldn't the same logic apply to the possibility of an aircraft crashing?

but they[color=blue]
> don't make a big fuss about it (for their own commercial reasons) like
> the airlines do. Stena state that a utility bill is sufficient.
>
> I've never been asked for ID on the "near" island crossings
>
> tim
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

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  #998  
Vecchio 29-11-2012, 23.25.37
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
 
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Jean O'Boyle wrote:[color=blue]
> "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:agft9aFb7hhU1@mid.individual.net...[color=green]
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:QI2dneIWU4i5AT_NnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:25 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and
>>>>> classical music.
>>>> Are you prepared to define 'many' in terms of the overall population
>>>> of the USA?
>>> No. (I was referring only to those of us who travel abroad.)[/color]
>> so you are saying that "many of the USAans who travel abroad do it because
>> they are Opera fans"?
>>
>> I find that hard to believe.
>>
>> tim[/color]
>
> No, Tim, I have visited Europe eleven times and it was not because I was an
> opera fan, although I did attend one in Vienna. It was to visit friends and
> different sites. My parents were both born in Poland so we have been there
> three times. This November, I will visit Portugal and Spain. More Americans
> have passports than you might think...we have seven members in my family
> alone who have one and I often travel with a group of friends who all have
> passports.
>
> --Jean[/color]

For once you and I agree, Jean! I never meant to imply that ALL
Americans were opera fans, simply that those of us who are find it a
good reason for travel to Europe. (Not all of us are so insular that we
don't want to experience other cultures, and travel to other countries
seems the best way to do that, don't you agree?)

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>
>[/color]
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  #999  
Vecchio 29-11-2012, 23.25.37
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
 
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Jean O'Boyle wrote:[color=blue]
> "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:agft9aFb7hhU1@mid.individual.net...[color=green]
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:QI2dneIWU4i5AT_NnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:25 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and
>>>>> classical music.
>>>> Are you prepared to define 'many' in terms of the overall population
>>>> of the USA?
>>> No. (I was referring only to those of us who travel abroad.)[/color]
>> so you are saying that "many of the USAans who travel abroad do it because
>> they are Opera fans"?
>>
>> I find that hard to believe.
>>
>> tim[/color]
>
> No, Tim, I have visited Europe eleven times and it was not because I was an
> opera fan, although I did attend one in Vienna. It was to visit friends and
> different sites. My parents were both born in Poland so we have been there
> three times. This November, I will visit Portugal and Spain. More Americans
> have passports than you might think...we have seven members in my family
> alone who have one and I often travel with a group of friends who all have
> passports.
>
> --Jean[/color]

For once you and I agree, Jean! I never meant to imply that ALL
Americans were opera fans, simply that those of us who are find it a
good reason for travel to Europe. (Not all of us are so insular that we
don't want to experience other cultures, and travel to other countries
seems the best way to do that, don't you agree?)

[color=blue]
>
>[/color]
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  #1000  
Vecchio 29-11-2012, 23.25.37
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
 
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Jean O'Boyle wrote:[color=blue]
> "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:agft9aFb7hhU1@mid.individual.net...[color=green]
>> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:QI2dneIWU4i5AT_NnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:25 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and
>>>>> classical music.
>>>> Are you prepared to define 'many' in terms of the overall population
>>>> of the USA?
>>> No. (I was referring only to those of us who travel abroad.)[/color]
>> so you are saying that "many of the USAans who travel abroad do it because
>> they are Opera fans"?
>>
>> I find that hard to believe.
>>
>> tim[/color]
>
> No, Tim, I have visited Europe eleven times and it was not because I was an
> opera fan, although I did attend one in Vienna. It was to visit friends and
> different sites. My parents were both born in Poland so we have been there
> three times. This November, I will visit Portugal and Spain. More Americans
> have passports than you might think...we have seven members in my family
> alone who have one and I often travel with a group of friends who all have
> passports.
>
> --Jean[/color]

For once you and I agree, Jean! I never meant to imply that ALL
Americans were opera fans, simply that those of us who are find it a
good reason for travel to Europe. (Not all of us are so insular that we
don't want to experience other cultures, and travel to other countries
seems the best way to do that, don't you agree?)

[color=blue]
>
>[/color]
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