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  #21  
Vecchio 06-10-2014, 11.18.59
Giovanni Drogo
 
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Martin wrote:
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> There are no proper Indonesian restaurants in Leiden. [...][/color]

25 years ago there was a very nice one on the Breestraat. Gone with the
rest you say in another post ?
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Vecchio 06-10-2014, 12.26.36
Martin
 
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 10:18:59 +0200, Giovanni Drogo <drogo@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid>
wrote:
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>On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Martin wrote:
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>> There are no proper Indonesian restaurants in Leiden. [...][/color]
>
>25 years ago there was a very nice one on the Breestraat. Gone with the
>rest you say in another post ?[/color]

Long gone. Even 25 years ago it was nothing like the real thing.

The oldest Indonesian restaurant in Leiden is in an alley between Breestraat and
the Pieterskerk. It opened in the 1940s. What it serves is more Chinese than
anything and nothing like the real thing. That doesn't mean that the food isn't
appetising. AFAIR it is run by the daughter of the founder. You can judge what
they sell by the menu [url]http://www.woo-ping-leiden.nl/[/url]

The website contains HTML errors that stop it working fully with Firefox, IE and
Chrome
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Vecchio 06-10-2014, 12.34.09
Martin
 
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 11:26:36 +0200, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
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>On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 10:18:59 +0200, Giovanni Drogo <drogo@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid>
>wrote:
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>>On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Martin wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> There are no proper Indonesian restaurants in Leiden. [...][/color]
>>
>>25 years ago there was a very nice one on the Breestraat. Gone with the
>>rest you say in another post ?[/color]
>
>Long gone. Even 25 years ago it was nothing like the real thing.
>
>The oldest Indonesian restaurant in Leiden is in an alley between Breestraat and
>the Pieterskerk. It opened in the 1940s. What it serves is more Chinese than
>anything and nothing like the real thing. That doesn't mean that the food isn't
>appetising. AFAIR it is run by the daughter of the founder. You can judge what
>they sell by the menu [url]http://www.woo-ping-leiden.nl/[/url]
>
>The website contains HTML errors that stop it working fully with Firefox, IE and
>Chrome[/color]

Via this site it works
[url]http://www.sneleten.nl/woo-ping-leiden#IndischeGerechten[/url]
--

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  #24  
Vecchio 06-10-2014, 12.35.44
Surreyman
 
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On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:10:30 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 00:27:49 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com>
>
> wrote:
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> >On Friday, October 3, 2014 11:17:08 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[/color]
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> >Authenticity apart, I have to say I've often eaten Indonesian in the Netherlands at approximately UK curry prices - maybe not in central A'dam recently, but then I don't tend to eat curry in Regent Street either.[/color]
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> There's no restaurants in the Leiden area selling Asian food for the price of a
>
> good curry in the North of England. You are lucky if you can buy a starter in NL
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> for the same price.
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> How much are you paying for the Indonesian meals you buy in NL?
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> --
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>
>
> Martin in Zuid Holland[/color]

Last occasion was about 18 months ago in De Lier, near den Haag.
It was a perfectly ordinary (but reasonably smart) 'pseudo' Indonesian when I hosted some 20 people for a very fulfilling 'banquet' (not a rijstafel).
It came to around 16 euro per head (the drinks bill was the same again!).
A curry with side dishes would be at least that, probably more, in our Surrey village.
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  #25  
Vecchio 06-10-2014, 14.36.27
Martin
 
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 02:35:44 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com>
wrote:
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>On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:10:30 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[color=green]
>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 00:27:49 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com>
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>Last occasion was about 18 months ago in De Lier, near den Haag.[/color]

Much nearer to Delft :-)
This one [url]https://www.eet.nu/de-lier/china-garden[/url] ?
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>It was a perfectly ordinary (but reasonably smart) 'pseudo' Indonesian when I hosted some 20 people for a very fulfilling 'banquet' (not a rijstafel).
>It came to around 16 euro per head (the drinks bill was the same again!).
>A curry with side dishes would be at least that, probably more, in our Surrey village.[/color]

16 Euro/head is very cheap by Dutch standards. A main course costs more in most
places. A main course in what is supposed to be the best Indian restaurant in
the area in North Staffordshire, where my daughter lives is well under £10, OTOH
houses cost a fraction in N Staffordshire of the price of houses in Surrey. A
good three bed roomed semi-detached house costs under £150K
Makes one wonder why there isn't a mass migration to leafy N Staffordshire :-)
--

Martin in Zuid Holland



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  #26  
Vecchio 06-10-2014, 17.04.36
Surreyman
 
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On Monday, October 6, 2014 12:36:27 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 02:35:44 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com>
>
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> >> >> >> >My wife is Malaysian, so I'm well acquainted with Indonesian food. [/color][/color]
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> >> >> >> without spending a ridiculous amount on what in many cases is a poor Dutch[/color][/color]
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> >> >> >> imitation of the real thing in Amsterdam.[/color][/color]
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> >> >> >As is curry in UK - but still highly enjoyable nevertheless![/color][/color]
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> >> >> Curry in UK is hardly sold at the prices charged for Indonesian food in[/color][/color]
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> >> >> [/color][/color]
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> >> >> Amsterdam.[/color][/color]
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> >> >> >However, thanks to my Dutch friends having trained up as Indo chefs to professional standards (as a hobby), they've also taken us to 'proper'restaurants, especially around Den Haag.[/color][/color]
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> >> >> There are no proper Indonesian restaurants in Leiden. The food of the one that[/color][/color]
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> >> >> is rated as the best is cooked in The Hague and is reheated in Leiden. The[/color][/color]
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> >> >> resulting quality is poor.[/color][/color]
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> >> >> I've never had an Indonesian meal in NL that is anything like that sold in[/color][/color]
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> >> >> Singapore and Malaysia. Even the Dutch Indonesian satay isn't anything like the[/color][/color]
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> >> >> [/color][/color]
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> >> >> real thing. Often it is boiled in the bag stuff.[/color][/color]
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> >> >Authenticity apart, I have to say I've often eaten Indonesian in the Netherlands at approximately UK curry prices - maybe not in central A'dam recently, but then I don't tend to eat curry in Regent Street either.[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
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> >> [/color][/color]
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> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> There's no restaurants in the Leiden area selling Asian food for the price of a[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> good curry in the North of England. You are lucky if you can buy a starter in NL[/color][/color]
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> >> for the same price.[/color][/color]
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> >> How much are you paying for the Indonesian meals you buy in NL?[/color][/color]
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> >> -- [/color][/color]
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> >> Martin in Zuid Holland[/color][/color]
> [color=green]
> >[/color]
> [color=green]
> >Last occasion was about 18 months ago in De Lier, near den Haag.[/color]
>
>
>
> Much nearer to Delft :-)
>
> This one [url]https://www.eet.nu/de-lier/china-garden[/url] ?
>
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> >It was a perfectly ordinary (but reasonably smart) 'pseudo' Indonesian when I hosted some 20 people for a very fulfilling 'banquet' (not a rijstafel).[/color]
> [color=green]
> >It came to around 16 euro per head (the drinks bill was the same again!)..[/color]
> [color=green]
> >A curry with side dishes would be at least that, probably more, in our Surrey village.[/color]
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>
>
> 16 Euro/head is very cheap by Dutch standards. A main course costs more in most
>
> places. A main course in what is supposed to be the best Indian restaurant in
>
> the area in North Staffordshire, where my daughter lives is well under £10, OTOH
>
> houses cost a fraction in N Staffordshire of the price of houses in Surrey. A
>
> good three bed roomed semi-detached house costs under £150K
>
> Makes one wonder why there isn't a mass migration to leafy N Staffordshire :-)
>
> --
>
>
>
> Martin in Zuid Holland[/color]

You're telling me.
I've just moved (within the same town) to a small 3-bedroom detached bungalow for £400,000.
You tell me why I don't move to Staffs - or, more especially, Spain! :-))
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Vecchio 06-10-2014, 23.31.20
Martin
 
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 07:04:36 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com>
wrote:
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>On Monday, October 6, 2014 12:36:27 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[/color]

<snip>
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>> houses in N Staffordshire cost a fraction of the price of houses in Surrey. A
>>
>> good three bed roomed semi-detached house costs under £150K
>>
>> Makes one wonder why there isn't a mass migration to leafy N Staffordshire :-)[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>You're telling me.
>I've just moved (within the same town) to a small 3-bedroom detached bungalow for £400,000.
>You tell me why I don't move to Staffs - or, more especially, Spain! :-))[/color]

Zuid Holland isn't any cheaper than that.

For some reason I thought you lived in Harwich.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland



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Vecchio 07-10-2014, 11.53.56
Surreyman
 
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On Monday, October 6, 2014 9:31:20 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 07:04:36 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> [color=green]
> >On Monday, October 6, 2014 12:36:27 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[/color]
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> >> houses in N Staffordshire cost a fraction of the price of houses in Surrey. A[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> good three bed roomed semi-detached house costs under �150K[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Makes one wonder why there isn't a mass migration to leafy N Staffordshire :-)[/color][/color]
>
>
> [color=green]
> >You're telling me.[/color]
> [color=green]
> >I've just moved (within the same town) to a small 3-bedroom detached bungalow for �400,000.[/color]
> [color=green]
> >You tell me why I don't move to Staffs - or, more especially, Spain! :-))[/color]
>
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>
> Zuid Holland isn't any cheaper than that.
>
>
>
> For some reason I thought you lived in Harwich.
>
> --
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> Martin in Zuid Holland[/color]

Nah - deepest Surrey. Apparently the most expensive for property in the UK except for central London. :-(
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Martin
 
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On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 01:53:56 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com>
wrote:
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>On Monday, October 6, 2014 9:31:20 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 07:04:36 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> >On Monday, October 6, 2014 12:36:27 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[/color]
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>> <snip>
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>> >> houses in N Staffordshire cost a fraction of the price of houses in Surrey. A[/color]
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>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> good three bed roomed semi-detached house costs under ?150K[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> Makes one wonder why there isn't a mass migration to leafy N Staffordshire :-)[/color]
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> >You're telling me.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >I've just moved (within the same town) to a small 3-bedroom detached bungalow for ?400,000.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >You tell me why I don't move to Staffs - or, more especially, Spain! :-))[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> Zuid Holland isn't any cheaper than that.
>>
>>
>>
>> For some reason I thought you lived in Harwich.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin in Zuid Holland[/color]
>
>Nah - deepest Surrey. Apparently the most expensive for property in the UK except for central London. :-([/color]

I guess Surreyman was a clue :-)

The bungalow is cheap by Zuid Holland standards. There's a property boom here
prices have reached 2003 level. Some years ago the Dutch government killed the
housing market by making mortgage payments not tax deductible.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland



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Vecchio 08-10-2014, 11.56.41
Surreyman
 
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On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 10:04:53 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[color=blue]
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 01:53:56 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> [color=green]
> >On Monday, October 6, 2014 9:31:20 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 07:04:36 -0700 (PDT), Surreyman <alanspencer3@googlemail.com>[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
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> >> wrote:[/color][/color]
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> >> >On Monday, October 6, 2014 12:36:27 PM UTC+1, Martin wrote:[/color][/color]
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> >> <snip>[/color][/color]
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> >> [/color][/color]
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> >> >> houses in N Staffordshire cost a fraction of the price of houses inSurrey. A[/color][/color]
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> >> >> [/color][/color]
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> >> >> good three bed roomed semi-detached house costs under ?150K[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
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> >> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >> Makes one wonder why there isn't a mass migration to leafy N Staffordshire :-)[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >You're telling me.[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >I've just moved (within the same town) to a small 3-bedroom detached bungalow for ?400,000.[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >You tell me why I don't move to Staffs - or, more especially, Spain! :-))[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Zuid Holland isn't any cheaper than that. [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> For some reason I thought you lived in Harwich.[/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> -- [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> [/color][/color]
> [color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Martin in Zuid Holland[/color][/color]
> [color=green]
> >[/color]
> [color=green]
> >Nah - deepest Surrey. Apparently the most expensive for property in the UK except for central London. :-([/color]
>
>
>
> I guess Surreyman was a clue :-)
>
>
>
> The bungalow is cheap by Zuid Holland standards. There's a property boom here
>
> prices have reached 2003 level. Some years ago the Dutch government killed the
>
> housing market by making mortgage payments not tax deductible.
>
> --
>
>
>
> Martin in Zuid Holland[/color]

I can scarcely believe that. It's some time since I looked at house prices (around De Lier & Naaldwijk, for instance) but they were then very cheap reSurrey. But most people (I know, anyway) seem to rent, and the current rental prices also still appear cheap.
Interesting.
Mortgage tax relief disappeared in UK a million years ago!
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