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Erilar 05-11-2014 21.15.34

escape
 
The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
strike me as more rational there.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

S Viemeister 05-11-2014 23.12.23

Re: escape
 
On 11/5/2014 3:15 PM, Erilar wrote:[color=blue]
> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
> strike me as more rational there.
>[/color]
I understand that desire.

poldy 06-11-2014 02.38.51

Re: escape
 
In article <m3e0h6$6k0$2@dont-email.me>,
Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
> strike me as more rational there.[/color]

I don't know about Germany.

Merkel is trying to deliver a balanced budget, probably leading to a
recession, because they care more about the budget than building/fixing
needed infrastructure to stimulate the economy.

Germans are preventing the ECB from easing, which would help the entire
EU, because they don't like the idea of helping the latin nations.

One pundit calls Merkel the Herbert Hoover of Europe.

But others have said she recognizes the need for stimulus and easing
monetary policy but her hands are tied because of the German electorate.

Martin 06-11-2014 10.21.16

Re: escape
 
On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>strike me as more rational there.[/color]

Only because you don't live in Germany.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 06-11-2014 10.23.54

Re: escape
 
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 18:38:51 -0700, poldy <poldy@kfu.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <m3e0h6$6k0$2@dont-email.me>,
> Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>> strike me as more rational there.[/color]
>
>I don't know about Germany.
>
>Merkel is trying to deliver a balanced budget, probably leading to a
>recession, because they care more about the budget than building/fixing
>needed infrastructure to stimulate the economy.
>
>Germans are preventing the ECB from easing, which would help the entire
>EU, because they don't like the idea of helping the latin nations.[/color]

She rightly doesn't like Germany being the main payer in the EU. The only payer
other than NL, if UK leaves the EU.
[color=blue]
>
>One pundit calls Merkel the Herbert Hoover of Europe.
>
>But others have said she recognizes the need for stimulus and easing
>monetary policy but her hands are tied because of the German electorate.[/color]
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Alfred Molon 06-11-2014 18.52.11

Re: escape
 
In article <poldy-94E11F.18385105112014@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
poldy says...[color=blue]
> Germans are preventing the ECB from easing, which would help the entire
> EU, because they don't like the idea of helping the latin nations.[/color]

Feel free to donate your savings to the latin nations :-)

BTW, Cameron is refusing to pay the 2 billion the UK owes the EU.
--
Alfred Molon
[url]http://www.molon.de[/url] - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

poldy 06-11-2014 19.18.02

Re: escape
 
In article <hdfm5ahifbramu2rll2nffi2ul8keqoorg@4ax.com>,
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
> >Germans are preventing the ECB from easing, which would help the entire
> >EU, because they don't like the idea of helping the latin nations.[/color]
>
> She rightly doesn't like Germany being the main payer in the EU. The only
> payer
> other than NL, if UK leaves the EU.
>[color=green]
> >
> >One pundit calls Merkel the Herbert Hoover of Europe.
> >
> >But others have said she recognizes the need for stimulus and easing
> >monetary policy but her hands are tied because of the German electorate.[/color][/color]

Yet the Germans don't mind selling them their cars and other export
items.

Or lending them money with their banks.

They imposed austerity so that the PIIGS can't default on those loans
and screw over the German banks.

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) 06-11-2014 20.18.32

Re: escape
 


Martin wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>> strike me as more rational there.[/color]
>
> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]

That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the increase.
(Although the sheer triumph of the wealthy 1% over us ordinary
middle-class Americans is hardly encouraging, here.)

Frank Hucklenbroich 07-11-2014 08.48.10

Re: escape
 
Am Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:18:32 -0700 schrieb EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque):
[color=blue]
> Martin wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>> strike me as more rational there.[/color]
>>
>> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]
>
> That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the increase.[/color]

But not really in politics. The few extreme right-wing parties never score
more than around 2% at elections (except for some local elections in the
east of the country, were they sometimes score more).

There are some Neo-Nazis though when it comes down to football-hooligans.
But that is not only a German problem, you'll find that in Italy, England
and Holland as well.

Regards,

Frank

Martin 07-11-2014 10.43.57

Re: escape
 
On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:52:11 +0100, Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <poldy-94E11F.18385105112014@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
>poldy says...[color=green]
>> Germans are preventing the ECB from easing, which would help the entire
>> EU, because they don't like the idea of helping the latin nations.[/color]
>
>Feel free to donate your savings to the latin nations :-)
>
>BTW, Cameron is refusing to pay the 2 billion the UK owes the EU.[/color]

So are the Dutch until they have received and verified all the figures used to
calculate the amount due and used the figures to calculate the amount due and
reached the same amount.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 07-11-2014 10.50.30

Re: escape
 
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:18:32 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
>Martin wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>> strike me as more rational there.[/color]
>>
>> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]
>
>That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the increase.[/color]

Not forgetting all the petty local officialdom.
[color=blue]
> (Although the sheer triumph of the wealthy 1% over us ordinary
>middle-class Americans is hardly encouraging, here.)[/color]
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Tom P 07-11-2014 17.29.16

Re: escape
 
On 07.11.2014 10:50, Martin wrote:[color=blue]
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:18:32 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>
>> Martin wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>
>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]
>>
>> That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the increase.[/color]
>
> Not forgetting all the petty local officialdom.
>[/color]

What kind of petty local officialdom are you thinking of? I find the
local officials to be extremely fast and efficient. I got a certificate
of life last week in two minutes flat, plus one minute to find a parking
spot near the office.

[color=blue][color=green]
>> (Although the sheer triumph of the wealthy 1% over us ordinary
>> middle-class Americans is hardly encouraging, here.)[/color][/color]


tim..... 07-11-2014 20.27.05

Re: escape
 

"Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
news:cc4aarF40mrU1@mid.individual.net...[color=blue]
> On 07.11.2014 10:50, Martin wrote:[color=green]
>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:18:32 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany.
>>>>> Politics
>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>
>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>
>>> That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the increase.[/color]
>>
>> Not forgetting all the petty local officialdom.
>>[/color]
>
> What kind of petty local officialdom are you thinking of? I find the
> local officials to be extremely fast and efficient. I got a certificate of
> life last week in two minutes flat,[/color]

It's gotten a lot better since they were told (along with several other EU
countries) that they had to stop treating other EU nationals registering to
"live" the same way that they treat the Turks

tim




tim..... 07-11-2014 20.30.21

Re: escape
 

"Alfred Molon" <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2ec5d3b26af0d0f598cc37@news.supernews.com...[color=blue]
> In article <poldy-94E11F.18385105112014@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
> poldy says...[color=green]
>> Germans are preventing the ECB from easing, which would help the entire
>> EU, because they don't like the idea of helping the latin nations.[/color]
>
> Feel free to donate your savings to the latin nations :-)
>
> BTW, Cameron is refusing to pay the 2 billion the UK owes the EU.[/color]

he's just blustering for the UK press

tim




terrable 08-11-2014 00.59.53

Re: escape
 

"Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
news:m3e0h6$6k0$2@dont-email.me...[color=blue]
> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
> strike me as more rational there.
>[/color]

Do you read the daily German news ?

More rational ?

A country with multiple groups of radical leftists, neo-nazis and other
wackos.

A country with multiday riots.

Hundreds of Salafis and Kurds fight in the streets.

Thousands of Salafis and football hooligans/neo-nazis fight in the streets.

Nein danke !




Martin 08-11-2014 10.16.40

Re: escape
 
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:29:16 +0100, Tom P <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On 07.11.2014 10:50, Martin wrote:[color=green]
>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:18:32 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>
>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>
>>> That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the increase.[/color]
>>
>> Not forgetting all the petty local officialdom.
>>[/color]
>
>What kind of petty local officialdom are you thinking of? I find the
>local officials to be extremely fast and efficient. I got a certificate
>of life last week in two minutes flat, plus one minute to find a parking
>spot near the office.[/color]

A certificate of life?
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Alfred Molon 08-11-2014 12.11.07

Re: escape
 
In article <13d7w.684627$w82.27746@fx21.iad>, terrable says...[color=blue]
> A country with multiple groups of radical leftists, neo-nazis and other
> wackos.
>
> A country with multiday riots.
>
> Hundreds of Salafis and Kurds fight in the streets.
>
> Thousands of Salafis and football hooligans/neo-nazis fight in the streets.[/color]

Applicable to so many countries...
--
Alfred Molon
[url]http://www.molon.de[/url] - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

tim..... 08-11-2014 13.53.36

Re: escape
 

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:jqnr5ahsskgq4lfg19tlpfct999ebiguvg@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:29:16 +0100, Tom P <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On 07.11.2014 10:50, Martin wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:18:32 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany.
>>>>>> Politics
>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>
>>>> That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the increase.
>>>
>>> Not forgetting all the petty local officialdom.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>What kind of petty local officialdom are you thinking of? I find the
>>local officials to be extremely fast and efficient. I got a certificate
>>of life last week in two minutes flat, plus one minute to find a parking
>>spot near the office.[/color]
>
> A certificate of life?[/color]

You not come across this translation for "residency registration"

The Italian "form" also translates as "permission to live" if you do it
literally

tim



Erilar 08-11-2014 20.15.17

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:29:16 +0100, Tom P <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On 07.11.2014 10:50, Martin wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:18:32 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>
>>>> That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the increase.
>>>
>>> Not forgetting all the petty local officialdom.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> What kind of petty local officialdom are you thinking of? I find the
>> local officials to be extremely fast and efficient. I got a certificate
>> of life last week in two minutes flat, plus one minute to find a parking
>> spot near the office.[/color]
>
> A certificate of life?[/color]

You're allowed to live in this country, but often not allowed to vote.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 08-11-2014 20.15.17

Re: escape
 
"terrable" <terrable@terrable.net> wrote:[color=blue]
> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
> news:m3e0h6$6k0$2@dont-email.me...[color=green]
>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>> strike me as more rational there.
>>[/color]
>
> Do you read the daily German news ?
>
> More rational ?
>
> A country with multiple groups of radical leftists, neo-nazis and other
> wackos.[/color]

At least they aren't paralyzing the government like our right-wing wackos.[color=blue]
>
> A country with multiday riots.[/color]

Have you noticed a lack of riots in this country as well?[color=blue]
>
> Hundreds of Salafis and Kurds fight in the streets.[/color]

Different groups here. Cops with military equipment against unarmed
civilians.[color=blue]
>
> Thousands of Salafis and football hooligans/neo-nazis fight in the streets.[/color]

See above.[color=blue]
>
> Nein danke ![/color]


--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 08-11-2014 20.15.18

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>> strike me as more rational there.[/color]
>
> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]

Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past. Besides,
they have the best bread in the world!

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

JohnT 08-11-2014 21.36.31

Re: escape
 

"Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
news:m3lq45$97v$4@dont-email.me...[color=blue]
> "terrable" <terrable@terrable.net> wrote:[color=green]
>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>> news:m3e0h6$6k0$2@dont-email.me...[color=darkred]
>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Do you read the daily German news ?
>>
>> More rational ?
>>
>> A country with multiple groups of radical leftists, neo-nazis and other
>> wackos.[/color]
>
> At least they aren't paralyzing the government like our right-wing wackos.[color=green]
>>[/color][/color]

Does one read into this that Erilar isn't totally in favour of Ms Palin?
--
JohnT


JohnT 08-11-2014 21.38.58

Re: escape
 

"Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...[color=blue]
> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>> strike me as more rational there.[/color]
>>
>> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]
>
> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
> Besides,
> they have the best bread in the world![/color]

Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar with
Poilane.
--
JohnT


Martin 09-11-2014 09.54.55

Re: escape
 
On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:17 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:29:16 +0100, Tom P <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On 07.11.2014 10:50, Martin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:18:32 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the increase.
>>>>
>>>> Not forgetting all the petty local officialdom.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of petty local officialdom are you thinking of? I find the
>>> local officials to be extremely fast and efficient. I got a certificate
>>> of life last week in two minutes flat, plus one minute to find a parking
>>> spot near the office.[/color]
>>
>> A certificate of life?[/color]
>
>You're allowed to live in this country, but often not allowed to vote.[/color]

Ditto The Netherlands.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 09-11-2014 09.57.47

Re: escape
 
On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>> strike me as more rational there.[/color]
>>
>> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]
>
>Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.[/color]

Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
time?
[color=blue]
>Besides,
>they have the best bread in the world![/color]

Make your own bread and stay at home.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 09-11-2014 09.58.43

Re: escape
 
On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 20:38:58 -0000, "JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>
>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]
>>
>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>> Besides,
>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>
>Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar with
>Poilane.[/color]

and didn't eat French bread as a matter of principle.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) 09-11-2014 18.23.25

Re: escape
 


JohnT wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
> news:m3lq45$97v$4@dont-email.me...[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> At least they aren't paralyzing the government like our right-wing
>> wackos.[color=darkred]
>>>[/color][/color]
>
> Does one read into this that Erilar isn't totally in favour of Ms Palin?[/color]

If Sara were the ONLY "right wing wacko", our freedoms might still stand
a chance!

JohnT 09-11-2014 22.53.14

Re: escape
 

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:CuWdnWpcT_3aPsLJnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@earthlink.com...[color=blue]
>
>
> JohnT wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>> news:m3lq45$97v$4@dont-email.me...[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> At least they aren't paralyzing the government like our right-wing
>>> wackos.
>>>>[/color]
>>
>> Does one read into this that Erilar isn't totally in favour of Ms Palin?[/color]
>
> If Sara were the ONLY "right wing wacko", our freedoms might still stand a
> chance![/color]

The USA has always had more than its fair share of wackos of more than one
political persuasion. Sarah wanted to stop your Country from being involved
in squirmishes.

--
JohnT


ALittleRockInTheCosmos 09-11-2014 23.26.45

Re: escape
 
On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.[/color]
>
> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
> time?[/color]

As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.

The biggest problem for American ex-pats these days is that the
American tax authority - the IRS, Internal Revenue Service - has put
the onus on banks where Americans have accounts to provide complete
information on those accounts, no matter where the banks are.
European banks have responded by either outright refusing to open
accounts to American ex-pats, or severely curtailing the services on
offer to those ex-pats.

Giovanni Drogo 10-11-2014 10.21.55

Re: escape
 
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014, tim..... wrote:
[color=blue]
> It's gotten a lot better since they were told (along with several other EU
> countries) that they had to stop treating other EU nationals registering to
> "live" the same way that they treat the Turks[/color]

Sincerely I was treated very fairly, kindly and efficiently when I
registered in Germany in the '80s. They asked me whether I wanted a
permission for 1, 2 or 5 years.

It might have helped that: a) I spoke a bit of German; b) I was
accompanied by an ESA secretary; c) I had a card from my home
institution from which I was on leave of absence

Giovanni Drogo 10-11-2014 10.32.59

Re: escape
 
On Sat, 8 Nov 2014, tim..... wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> A certificate of life?[/color]
>
> You not come across this translation for "residency registration"
>
> The Italian "form" also translates as "permission to live" if you do it
> literally[/color]

I am not sure what you are talking of. The italian "permesso di
soggiorno" or german "Aufenthalterlaubnis" means rather literally
"permission to stay" (compare "soggiorno" with "sojourn").

We have (or had, I am not sure) a "certificato di esistenza in vita"
(lit. certificate of existence in life). It was the sort of the document
a pension fund paying a pension into a bank account would periodically
require to prove the recipient of the pension was still alive.
(if one did not want to show up at the bank counter in person).

Nowadays for relations between a citizen and the public administration,
or between offices of the public administration, it is sufficient to
sign a self-declaration ... it is actually forbidden to a public
administration office to require a certificate for an info they can
obtain directly from another office.

So certificates issued by the public administration can be requested
only by private organizations.

Of course all that is gold does not glitter, so I do not dare say that
things are THAT improved with things like the "informatic protocol" or
the PEC (certified e-mail, replacing registered letters).

Tom P 10-11-2014 11.59.22

Re: escape
 
On 08.11.2014 13:53, tim..... wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:jqnr5ahsskgq4lfg19tlpfct999ebiguvg@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:29:16 +0100, Tom P <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On 07.11.2014 10:50, Martin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:18:32 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany.
>>>>>>> Politics
>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the
>>>>> increase.
>>>>
>>>> Not forgetting all the petty local officialdom.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of petty local officialdom are you thinking of? I find the
>>> local officials to be extremely fast and efficient. I got a certificate
>>> of life last week in two minutes flat, plus one minute to find a parking
>>> spot near the office.[/color]
>>
>> A certificate of life?[/color]
>
> You not come across this translation for "residency registration"
>
> The Italian "form" also translates as "permission to live" if you do it
> literally
>
> tim
>
>[/color]

I'm not talking about a residence permit. A life certificate is an
official proof that you are alive and not dead.


Tom P 10-11-2014 12.07.57

Re: escape
 
On 09.11.2014 23:26, ALittleRockInTheCosmos wrote:[color=blue]
> On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.[/color]
>>
>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax
>> at the same
>> time?[/color]
>
> As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
> income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
> year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.
>
> The biggest problem for American ex-pats these days is that the
> American tax authority - the IRS, Internal Revenue Service - has put
> the onus on banks where Americans have accounts to provide complete
> information on those accounts, no matter where the banks are.
> European banks have responded by either outright refusing to open
> accounts to American ex-pats, or severely curtailing the services on
> offer to those ex-pats.[/color]

If I understand correctly, the IRS doesn't understand the concept of tax
residence?


Martin 10-11-2014 15.36.26

Re: escape
 
On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:26:45 -0800, ALittleRockInTheCosmos <what@ga.wd> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.[/color]
>>
>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>> time?[/color]
>
>As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
>income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
>year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.[/color]

Who knows? :-)
[color=blue]
>
>The biggest problem for American ex-pats these days is that the
>American tax authority - the IRS, Internal Revenue Service - has put
>the onus on banks where Americans have accounts to provide complete
>information on those accounts, no matter where the banks are.
>European banks have responded by either outright refusing to open
>accounts to American ex-pats, or severely curtailing the services on
>offer to those ex-pats.[/color]

Part of the problem is that the USA doesn't have an avoidance of double taxation
agreement with Europe?
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




ALittleRockInTheCosmos 10-11-2014 15.39.46

Re: escape
 
On 11/10/2014 3:07 AM, Tom P wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 09.11.2014 23:26, ALittleRockInTheCosmos wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
>> income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
>> year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.
>>
>> The biggest problem for American ex-pats these days is that the
>> American tax authority - the IRS, Internal Revenue Service - has put
>> the onus on banks where Americans have accounts to provide complete
>> information on those accounts, no matter where the banks are.
>> European banks have responded by either outright refusing to open
>> accounts to American ex-pats, or severely curtailing the services on
>> offer to those ex-pats.[/color]
>
> If I understand correctly, the IRS doesn't understand the concept of tax
> residence?[/color]

The IRS sort of does. If a USA citizen is an ex-pat and files (submits
tax documents, forms, and payment if necessary) from non-USA address,
then the overseas status is documented, and the ex-pat will receive
the exemption.

Otherwise, though, the USA ex-pat is responsible for stating _all_
income subject to taxation worldwide, no matter where the residence.

The only escape from this is to become the citizen of another country
and renounce USA citizenship. It's happened.

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) 10-11-2014 19.26.07

Re: escape
 


JohnT wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:CuWdnWpcT_3aPsLJnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@earthlink.com...[color=green]
>>
>>
>> JohnT wrote:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> If Sara were the ONLY "right wing wacko", our freedoms might still
>> stand a chance![/color]
>
> The USA has always had more than its fair share of wackos of more than
> one political persuasion. Sarah wanted to stop your Country from being
> involved in squirmishes.[/color]

She's also a grade A moron opposed to women's rights!

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) 10-11-2014 19.35.31

Re: escape
 


ALittleRockInTheCosmos wrote:[color=blue]
> On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.[/color]
>>
>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax
>> at the same
>> time?[/color]
>
> As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
> income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
> year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.
>
> The biggest problem for American ex-pats these days is that the
> American tax authority - the IRS, Internal Revenue Service - has put
> the onus on banks where Americans have accounts to provide complete
> information on those accounts, no matter where the banks are.
> European banks have responded by either outright refusing to open
> accounts to American ex-pats, or severely curtailing the services on
> offer to those ex-pats.[/color]

Unfortunately, the only places I would WANT to live (Vienna, Brussels or
Paris) are too expensive for one with limited means. The same is true
for many places in the U.S., alas. Also, Medicare (and American brands
of medical insurance) do not cover me in Europe. That's a factor a
great many Americans don't realize until they need medical care abroad.
(The rest of the civilized world has medical coverage for all its
citizens, with reciprocal agreements in place for citizens who travel.)

Erilar 10-11-2014 20.50.39

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:26:45 -0800, ALittleRockInTheCosmos <what@ga.wd> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>
>>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>>> time?[/color]
>>
>> As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
>> income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
>> year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.[/color]
>
> Who knows? :-)
>[/color]
At the time I was a grad student on a fellowsip. I couldn't even afford to
eat in restaurants 8-)


--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 10-11-2014 20.50.39

Re: escape
 
"JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:CuWdnWpcT_3aPsLJnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@earthlink.com...[color=green]
>>
>>
>> JohnT wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message >>
>>> news:m3lq45$97v$4@dont-email.me...[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>> At least they aren't paralyzing the government like our right-wing >>> wackos.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Does one read into this that Erilar isn't totally in favour of Ms Palin?[/color]
>>
>> If Sara were the ONLY "right wing wacko", our freedoms might still stand a > chance![/color]
>
> The USA has always had more than its fair share of wackos of more than
> one political persuasion. Sarah wanted to stop your Country from being
> involved in squirmishes.[/color]

"Squirmish" is how I feel about her.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 10-11-2014 20.50.40

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 20:38:58 -0000, "JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...[color=darkred]
>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>
>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>> Besides,
>>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>>
>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar with
>> Poilane.[/color]
>
> and didn't eat French bread as a matter of principle.[/color]

A fresh baguette is good, but on my lone French trip I eas more often
offered stale pieces.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad


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