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Erilar 10-11-2014 20.50.40

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>
>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]
>>
>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.[/color]
>
> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
> time?
>[color=green]
>> Besides,
>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>
> Make your own bread and stay at home.[/color]

I do all of the former and a lot of the latter. When not doing the latter,
I've learned they have pretty good bread in Scandinavia generally.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 10-11-2014 20.50.41

Re: escape
 
"JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar >> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>
>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]
>>
>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past. > Besides,
>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>
> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar with Poilane.[/color]

In a year and I half there I kept finding new kinds and all were delicious.
Now I make my own to avoid the mixture of pallid flour, water, and
chemicals so popular in the US. Even non-white bread here has lists of
chemicals in it.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 10-11-2014 20.50.41

Re: escape
 
"JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message news:m3lq45$97v$4@dont-email.me...[color=green]
>> "terrable" <terrable@terrable.net> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>>> news:m3e0h6$6k0$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you read the daily German news ?
>>>
>>> More rational ?
>>>
>>> A country with multiple groups of radical leftists, neo-nazis and other
>>> wackos.[/color]
>>
>> At least they aren't paralyzing the government like our right-wing wackos.[color=darkred]
>>>[/color][/color]
>
> Does one read into this that Erilar isn't totally in favour of Ms Palin?[/color]

At least she's still not elected to any office, unlike the horrible Cruz!
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Frank Hucklenbroich 11-11-2014 09.10.04

Re: escape
 
Am Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:59:22 +0100 schrieb Tom P:
[color=blue]
> I'm not talking about a residence permit. A life certificate is an
> official proof that you are alive and not dead.[/color]

Never heard of something like that here in Germany. What you usually have
is a "Familienstammbuch", that's a book where you collect all important
documents regarding your family (birth certificate, certificate of
marriage...).

Regards,

Frank

Frank Hucklenbroich 11-11-2014 09.12.53

Re: escape
 
Am Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:17 +0000 (UTC) schrieb Erilar:
[color=blue]
> You're allowed to live in this country, but often not allowed to vote.[/color]

Depends on your status. English people living legally in Germany can vote
in European elections (at the same place where the Germans vote), but not
in national elections. For that, you'll need a Germany citizienship - which
did become much easier to obtain some years ago, for most European
nationalities you can legally keep your old passport and nationality and
get a German one, too.

Regards,

Frank

Frank Hucklenbroich 11-11-2014 09.17.42

Re: escape
 
Am Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:35:31 -0700 schrieb EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque):
[color=blue]
> Unfortunately, the only places I would WANT to live (Vienna, Brussels or
> Paris) are too expensive for one with limited means. The same is true
> for many places in the U.S., alas. Also, Medicare (and American brands
> of medical insurance) do not cover me in Europe. That's a factor a
> great many Americans don't realize until they need medical care abroad.[/color]

At least in Germany you have to have a medical-insurence that is valid for
Germany, otherwise you won't get a visa. They have short-term insurances
for people visiting up to a few weeks, if you stay longer, you have to get
a normal German health-insurance. If you're employed at a Germany company,
you'll have one anyway, otherwise you have to find a private insurance that
insures you (can be difficult if you are already older and not in perfect
health).
[color=blue]
> (The rest of the civilized world has medical coverage for all its
> citizens, with reciprocal agreements in place for citizens who travel.)[/color]

Right.

Regards,

Frank

Frank Hucklenbroich 11-11-2014 09.25.11

Re: escape
 
Am Fri, 7 Nov 2014 18:59:53 -0500 schrieb terrable:
[color=blue]
> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
> news:m3e0h6$6k0$2@dont-email.me...[color=green]
>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>> strike me as more rational there.
>>[/color]
>
> Do you read the daily German news ?
>
> More rational ?
>
> A country with multiple groups of radical leftists, neo-nazis and other
> wackos.
>
> A country with multiday riots.[/color]

It's not as bad as you point it. Yes, there was a demonstration by
right-wing Hooligans against Salafists. There was a bit of a quarrel in
which a police car was turned on the side. And drunken yobs trying to get
the police into a fight.
Things like this can happen after a normal Saturday-afternoon
football-games as well.
[color=blue]
> Hundreds of Salafis and Kurds fight in the streets.
>
> Thousands of Salafis and football hooligans/neo-nazis fight in the streets.[/color]

There were no Salafis who did fight. It's a rather small group in Germany,
a few hundred maybe. Most of the Turkish Muslims here don't like the
Salafists, and at the Hooligan-demonstration the kurds and right-wing turks
did march together with the hooligans.

It's not a thing that effects you in normal everyday life, ordinary people
normally don't get cought up in these things. It's more like a pub-brawl,
those who get involved want to get involved.

Regards,

Frank

Martin 11-11-2014 09.45.13

Re: escape
 
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:39 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:26:45 -0800, ALittleRockInTheCosmos <what@ga.wd> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>
>>>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>>>> time?
>>>
>>> As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
>>> income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
>>> year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.[/color]
>>
>> Who knows? :-)
>>[/color]
>At the time I was a grad student on a fellowsip.[/color]

Nice word :-)
[color=blue]
> I couldn't even afford to
>eat in restaurants 8-)[/color]

and now?
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 11-11-2014 09.45.48

Re: escape
 
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>
>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.[/color]
>>
>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>> time?
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Besides,
>>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>>
>> Make your own bread and stay at home.[/color]
>
>I do all of the former and a lot of the latter. When not doing the latter,
>I've learned they have pretty good bread in Scandinavia generally.[/color]

and in France too?
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 11-11-2014 09.47.50

Re: escape
 
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:41 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>"JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...[color=darkred]
>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar >> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>
>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past. > Besides,
>>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>>
>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar with Poilane.[/color]
>
>In a year and I half there I kept finding new kinds and all were delicious.
>Now I make my own to avoid the mixture of pallid flour, water, and
>chemicals so popular in the US. Even non-white bread here has lists of
>chemicals in it.[/color]

It's possible that the flour you use is from GM grain and has added chemicals
too, including pesticide residues.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 11-11-2014 09.51.20

Re: escape
 
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:10:04 +0100, Frank Hucklenbroich
<Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Am Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:59:22 +0100 schrieb Tom P:
>[color=green]
>> I'm not talking about a residence permit. A life certificate is an
>> official proof that you are alive and not dead.[/color]
>
>Never heard of something like that here in Germany. What you usually have
>is a "Familienstammbuch", that's a book where you collect all important
>documents regarding your family (birth certificate, certificate of
>marriage...).[/color]

In the Netherlands you obtain in person a current extract from the population
register to prove that you are still alive. UK must be one of the few places
that pays a state pension without requiring annual proof that the recipient is
still alive.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 11-11-2014 09.53.05

Re: escape
 
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:12:53 +0100, Frank Hucklenbroich
<Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Am Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:17 +0000 (UTC) schrieb Erilar:
>[color=green]
>> You're allowed to live in this country, but often not allowed to vote.[/color]
>
>Depends on your status. English people living legally in Germany can vote
>in European elections (at the same place where the Germans vote), but not
>in national elections. For that, you'll need a Germany citizienship - which
>did become much easier to obtain some years ago, for most European
>nationalities you can legally keep your old passport and nationality and
>get a German one, too.[/color]

In The Netherlands aliens can also vote in local council elections.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Frank Hucklenbroich 11-11-2014 13.13.33

Re: escape
 
Am Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:51:20 +0100 schrieb Martin:
[color=blue]
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:10:04 +0100, Frank Hucklenbroich
> <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Am Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:59:22 +0100 schrieb Tom P:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I'm not talking about a residence permit. A life certificate is an
>>> official proof that you are alive and not dead.[/color]
>>
>>Never heard of something like that here in Germany. What you usually have
>>is a "Familienstammbuch", that's a book where you collect all important
>>documents regarding your family (birth certificate, certificate of
>>marriage...).[/color]
>
> In the Netherlands you obtain in person a current extract from the population
> register to prove that you are still alive. UK must be one of the few places
> that pays a state pension without requiring annual proof that the recipient is
> still alive.[/color]

In the UK some people don't even have a passport. Once you don't travel
abroad, you don't need one.
They don't have a register-office either. If you want to open a bank
account, you bring something like your last gas bill.

Regards,

Frank

Martin 11-11-2014 13.38.54

Re: escape
 
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:13:33 +0100, Frank Hucklenbroich
<Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Am Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:51:20 +0100 schrieb Martin:
>[color=green]
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:10:04 +0100, Frank Hucklenbroich
>> <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Am Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:59:22 +0100 schrieb Tom P:
>>>
>>>> I'm not talking about a residence permit. A life certificate is an
>>>> official proof that you are alive and not dead.
>>>
>>>Never heard of something like that here in Germany. What you usually have
>>>is a "Familienstammbuch", that's a book where you collect all important
>>>documents regarding your family (birth certificate, certificate of
>>>marriage...).[/color]
>>
>> In the Netherlands you obtain in person a current extract from the population
>> register to prove that you are still alive. UK must be one of the few places
>> that pays a state pension without requiring annual proof that the recipient is
>> still alive.[/color]
>
>In the UK some people don't even have a passport. Once you don't travel
>abroad, you don't need one.
>They don't have a register-office either.[/color]

You register, obtain a copy of a driving licence and a passport in the local
town hall in The Netherlands. It is all very efficient.
[color=blue]
> If you want to open a bank
>account, you bring something like your last gas bill.[/color]

UK is a fraudsters and illegal immigrants paradise.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Bill 11-11-2014 14.56.43

Re: escape
 
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:13:33 +0100, Frank Hucklenbroich
<Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Am Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:51:20 +0100 schrieb Martin:
>[color=green]
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:10:04 +0100, Frank Hucklenbroich
>> <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Am Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:59:22 +0100 schrieb Tom P:
>>>
>>>> I'm not talking about a residence permit. A life certificate is an
>>>> official proof that you are alive and not dead.
>>>
>>>Never heard of something like that here in Germany. What you usually have
>>>is a "Familienstammbuch", that's a book where you collect all important
>>>documents regarding your family (birth certificate, certificate of
>>>marriage...).[/color]
>>
>> In the Netherlands you obtain in person a current extract from the population
>> register to prove that you are still alive. UK must be one of the few places
>> that pays a state pension without requiring annual proof that the recipient is
>> still alive.[/color]
>
>In the UK some people don't even have a passport. Once you don't travel
>abroad, you don't need one.
>They don't have a register-office either. If you want to open a bank
>account, you bring something like your last gas bill.[/color]

Not any more.

Now you need proof of address and a photo ID of some kind.

Your gas bill and driving license will do.

Bill 11-11-2014 14.57.38

Re: escape
 
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:38:54 +0100, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

[color=blue]
>UK is a fraudsters and illegal immigrants paradise.[/color]

Not that I've noticed.

There's no requirement to own a passport but photo ID is now required
for many things such as opening a bank account.

Giovanni Drogo 11-11-2014 18.57.19

Re: escape
 
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Frank Hucklenbroich wrote:
[color=blue]
> In the UK some people don't even have a passport. Once you don't
> travel abroad, you don't need one.[/color]

In Italy most people don't have a passport if they do not need to travel
outside the EU. For that an identity card suffices. And avoids/avoided
to have to pay the yearly stamp on the passport.

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) 11-11-2014 19.41.34

Re: escape
 


Erilar wrote:[color=blue]
> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Make your own bread and stay at home.[/color]
>
> I do all of the former and a lot of the latter. When not doing the latter,
> I've learned they have pretty good bread in Scandinavia generally.[/color]

Pastry, too! I grew up in Minnesota (with a large Scandinavian
population). I actually came to believe the talent for baking cakes and
pastries may be genetic. We'd be served have something wonderful when
visiting a friend of my mother's, she'd beg and receive the recipe, but
the results were never the same when she made it.

Erilar 11-11-2014 19.43.13

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:41 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...
>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar >> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past. > Besides,
>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>
>>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar with Poilane.[/color]
>>
>> In a year and I half there I kept finding new kinds and all were delicious.
>> Now I make my own to avoid the mixture of pallid flour, water, and
>> chemicals so popular in the US. Even non-white bread here has lists of
>> chemicals in it.[/color]
>
> It's possible that the flour you use is from GM grain and has added chemicals
> too, including pesticide residues.[/color]

Much of it is bought at health food stores where they generally have a
strong aversion to unnatural foods.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 11-11-2014 19.43.13

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>
>>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>>> time?
>>>
>>>> Besides,
>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>
>>> Make your own bread and stay at home.[/color]
>>
>> I do all of the former and a lot of the latter. When not doing the latter,
>> I've learned they have pretty good bread in Scandinavia generally.[/color]
>
> and in France too?[/color]

Not on the one trip when I was there.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 11-11-2014 19.43.14

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:39 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:26:45 -0800, ALittleRockInTheCosmos <what@ga.wd> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>>>>> time?
>>>>
>>>> As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
>>>> income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
>>>> year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.
>>>
>>> Who knows? :-)
>>>[/color]
>> At the time I was a grad student on a fellowsip.[/color]
>
> Nice word :-)
>[color=green]
>> I couldn't even afford to
>> eat in restaurants 8-)[/color]
>
> and now?[/color]

Since I don't get there as often or for as long, I DO eat in restaurants
most of the time there.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) 11-11-2014 19.50.13

Re: escape
 


Frank Hucklenbroich wrote:[color=blue]
> Am Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:35:31 -0700 schrieb EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque):
>[color=green]
>> Unfortunately, the only places I would WANT to live (Vienna, Brussels or
>> Paris) are too expensive for one with limited means. The same is true
>> for many places in the U.S., alas. Also, Medicare (and American brands
>> of medical insurance) do not cover me in Europe. That's a factor a
>> great many Americans don't realize until they need medical care abroad.[/color]
>
> At least in Germany you have to have a medical-insurence that is valid for
> Germany, otherwise you won't get a visa.[/color]

Yes, I had a very reasonably priced travel medical policy with American
Express when I was traveling - it covered everything, including
repatriation and even a travel companion in the event of REALLY serious
illness. However, it only covered a trip of six months or less.

Erilar 11-11-2014 21.13.27

Re: escape
 
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:[color=blue]
> Erilar wrote:[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Make your own bread and stay at home.
>>> I do all of the former and a lot of the latter. When not doing the latter,[/color]
>> I've learned they have pretty good bread in Scandinavia generally.[/color]
>
> Pastry, too! I grew up in Minnesota (with a large Scandinavian
> population). I actually came to believe the talent for baking cakes and
> pastries may be genetic. We'd be served have something wonderful when
> visiting a friend of my mother's, she'd beg and receive the recipe, but
> the results were never the same when she made it.[/color]

When I was teaching German, I used to take some German Christmas cookies to
school for my students. Some of them wanted recipes, so I shared those,
too. I only knew one whose mother tried one, but he said they didn't taste
like mine. She hadn't had any marjoram, which those cookies needed. I know
there are some Scandinavian baked goods use that, too. Norwegian, I think,
because at least one I learned came from a family with Norwegian ancestry.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Martin 12-11-2014 00.06.19

Re: escape
 
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:57:19 +0100, Giovanni Drogo
<drogo@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Frank Hucklenbroich wrote:
>[color=green]
>> In the UK some people don't even have a passport. Once you don't
>> travel abroad, you don't need one.[/color]
>
>In Italy most people don't have a passport if they do not need to travel
>outside the EU. For that an identity card suffices. And avoids/avoided
>to have to pay the yearly stamp on the passport.[/color]

In UK state issued I/D cards don't exist. UK passports for adults are valid for
ten years.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 12-11-2014 00.08.56

Re: escape
 
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:43:13 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>
>>>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>>>> time?
>>>>
>>>>> Besides,
>>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>>
>>>> Make your own bread and stay at home.
>>>
>>> I do all of the former and a lot of the latter. When not doing the latter,
>>> I've learned they have pretty good bread in Scandinavia generally.[/color]
>>
>> and in France too?[/color]
>
>Not on the one trip when I was there.[/color]

Only because you didn't try to buy bread and because you stayed in cheap ****
hostels/hotels. I've never had bad bread in France.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 12-11-2014 00.11.40

Re: escape
 
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:43:13 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:41 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar >> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past. > Besides,
>>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>>
>>>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar with Poilane.
>>>
>>> In a year and I half there I kept finding new kinds and all were delicious.
>>> Now I make my own to avoid the mixture of pallid flour, water, and
>>> chemicals so popular in the US. Even non-white bread here has lists of
>>> chemicals in it.[/color]
>>
>> It's possible that the flour you use is from GM grain and has added chemicals
>> too, including pesticide residues.[/color]
>
>Much of it is bought at health food stores where they generally have a
>strong aversion to unnatural foods.[/color]

That's what they want the customers to believe. Dutch CA tests on so called
organic wines showed more chemicals added than are added to most normal wines.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Tom P 12-11-2014 19.30.55

Re: escape
 
On 08.11.2014 21:38, JohnT wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>
>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.[/color]
>>
>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>> Besides,
>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>
> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar
> with Poilane.[/color]

There is no such thing as "German" bread. Each region has different
kinds of bread. In Bavaria bread often contains a lot of caraway, an
acquired taste for me.

Martin 12-11-2014 19.40.06

Re: escape
 
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 19:30:55 +0100, Tom P <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On 08.11.2014 21:38, JohnT wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...[color=darkred]
>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>
>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>> Besides,
>>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>>
>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar
>> with Poilane.[/color]
>
>There is no such thing as "German" bread. Each region has different
>kinds of bread. In Bavaria bread often contains a lot of caraway, an
>acquired taste for me.[/color]

but liked by others including me.

German bread is a collective term. It includes all types of German bread from
all regions.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Erilar 12-11-2014 21.06.53

Re: escape
 
Tom P <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote:[color=blue]
> On 08.11.2014 21:38, JohnT wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...[color=darkred]
>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>
>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>> Besides,
>>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>>
>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar
>> with Poilane.[/color]
>
> There is no such thing as "German" bread. Each region has different kinds
> of bread. In Bavaria bread often contains a lot of caraway, an acquired taste for me.[/color]

No, there just many kinds that vary locally for my definition of "German"
8-)
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 12-11-2014 21.06.54

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:43:13 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>>>>> time?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides,
>>>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>>>
>>>>> Make your own bread and stay at home.
>>>>
>>>> I do all of the former and a lot of the latter. When not doing the latter,
>>>> I've learned they have pretty good bread in Scandinavia generally.
>>>
>>> and in France too?[/color]
>>
>> Not on the one trip when I was there.[/color]
>
> Only because you didn't try to buy bread and because you stayed in cheap ****
> hostels/hotels. I've never had bad bread in France.[/color]

It was a group tour. The places we stayed were generally nice. The second
time they had this weiners and beans stuff as main course, I went back to
my hotel and skipped supper. Thin fish soup was even worse.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Martin 13-11-2014 10.07.49

Re: escape
 
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:43:13 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides,
>>>>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Make your own bread and stay at home.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do all of the former and a lot of the latter. When not doing the latter,
>>>>> I've learned they have pretty good bread in Scandinavia generally.
>>>>
>>>> and in France too?
>>>
>>> Not on the one trip when I was there.[/color]
>>
>> Only because you didn't try to buy bread and because you stayed in cheap ****
>> hostels/hotels. I've never had bad bread in France.[/color]
>
>It was a group tour. The places we stayed were generally nice. The second
>time they had this weiners and beans stuff as main course, I went back to
>my hotel and skipped supper. Thin fish soup was even worse.[/color]

So the tour saved money on the food. Your experience of France is about as
typical as Cathy's experience of European food. Next time blame the tour not the
country.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Erilar 13-11-2014 17.36.16

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:06:54 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:43:13 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:50:40 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Besides,
>>>>>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Make your own bread and stay at home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do all of the former and a lot of the latter. When not doing the latter,
>>>>>> I've learned they have pretty good bread in Scandinavia generally.
>>>>>
>>>>> and in France too?
>>>>
>>>> Not on the one trip when I was there.
>>>
>>> Only because you didn't try to buy bread and because you stayed in cheap ****
>>> hostels/hotels. I've never had bad bread in France.[/color]
>>
>> It was a group tour. The places we stayed were generally nice. The second
>> time they had this weiners and beans stuff as main course, I went back to
>> my hotel and skipped supper. Thin fish soup was even worse.[/color]
>
> So the tour saved money on the food. Your experience of France is about as
> typical as Cathy's experience of European food. Next time blame the tour not the
> country.[/color]

Oh, we had adequate food most of the time, but less than adequate "bread".

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

tim..... 14-11-2014 20.45.47

Re: escape
 

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:3hj36ad1s27obppgbnqcjbi6ohp23fet2a@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:12:53 +0100, Frank Hucklenbroich
> <Hucklenbroich01@aol.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Am Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:17 +0000 (UTC) schrieb Erilar:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> You're allowed to live in this country, but often not allowed to vote.[/color]
>>
>>Depends on your status. English people living legally in Germany can vote
>>in European elections (at the same place where the Germans vote), but not
>>in national elections. For that, you'll need a Germany citizienship -
>>which
>>did become much easier to obtain some years ago, for most European
>>nationalities you can legally keep your old passport and nationality and
>>get a German one, too.[/color]
>
> In The Netherlands aliens can also vote in local council elections.[/color]

In all EU countries other EU citizens residing there can vote in local
elections - it's EU law

tim


[color=blue]
>[/color]




tim..... 14-11-2014 20.48.23

Re: escape
 

"Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
news:cchnb0Fjmu7U1@mid.individual.net...[color=blue]
> On 08.11.2014 21:38, JohnT wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...[color=darkred]
>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany.
>>>>> Politics
>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>
>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>> Besides,
>>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>>
>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar
>> with Poilane.[/color]
>
> There is no such thing as "German" bread. Each region has different kinds
> of bread. In Bavaria bread often contains a lot of caraway, an acquired
> taste for me.[/color]

IME almost all German Bread's an acquired taste for me. I like my bread to
be soft and fluffy, not so dense you can use it as roof tiles.

It may "taste" nicer than other countries bread but I just can't abide the
texture

tim






Erilar 15-11-2014 17.23.40

Re: escape
 
"tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:[color=blue]
> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message news:cchnb0Fjmu7U1@mid.individual.net...[color=green]
>> On 08.11.2014 21:38, JohnT wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...
>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. >>>>> Politics
>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>> Besides,
>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>
>>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar
>>> with Poilane.[/color]
>>
>> There is no such thing as "German" bread. Each region has different
>> kinds > of bread. In Bavaria bread often contains a lot of caraway, an
>> acquired > taste for me.[/color]
>
> IME almost all German Bread's an acquired taste for me. I like my bread
> to be soft and fluffy, not so dense you can use it as roof tiles.
>
> It may "taste" nicer than other countries bread but I just can't abide the texture
>[/color]
Oh, then you must like the tasteless white stuff they call "bread" in the
US?


--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

James Silverton 15-11-2014 19.56.47

Re: escape
 
On 11/15/2014 11:23 AM, Erilar wrote:[color=blue]
> "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:[color=green]
>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message news:cchnb0Fjmu7U1@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>> On 08.11.2014 21:38, JohnT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. >>>>> Politics
>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>> Besides,
>>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>>
>>>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar
>>>> with Poilane.
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as "German" bread. Each region has different
>>> kinds > of bread. In Bavaria bread often contains a lot of caraway, an
>>> acquired > taste for me.[/color]
>>
>> IME almost all German Bread's an acquired taste for me. I like my bread
>> to be soft and fluffy, not so dense you can use it as roof tiles.
>>
>> It may "taste" nicer than other countries bread but I just can't abide the texture
>>[/color]
> Oh, then you must like the tasteless white stuff they call "bread" in the
> US?
>
>[/color]
A lot of countries have "tasteless white stuff" bread. I've seen it in a
French supermarket and think it was called "Pain pour toast". The
British eat a lot of it too. It's common in the Outer Hebrides where it
shipped from Glasgow and takes several days to come.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not." in Reply To.

Martin 16-11-2014 11.22.25

Re: escape
 
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 16:23:40 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>"tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:[color=green]
>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message news:cchnb0Fjmu7U1@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>> On 08.11.2014 21:38, JohnT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. >>>>> Politics
>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>> Besides,
>>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>>
>>>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar
>>>> with Poilane.
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as "German" bread. Each region has different
>>> kinds > of bread. In Bavaria bread often contains a lot of caraway, an
>>> acquired > taste for me.[/color]
>>
>> IME almost all German Bread's an acquired taste for me. I like my bread
>> to be soft and fluffy, not so dense you can use it as roof tiles.
>>
>> It may "taste" nicer than other countries bread but I just can't abide the texture
>>[/color]
>Oh, then you must like the tasteless white stuff they call "bread" in the
>US?[/color]

UK surely?
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




Martin 16-11-2014 11.26.51

Re: escape
 
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:56:47 -0500, James Silverton
<not.jim.silverton@verizon.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On 11/15/2014 11:23 AM, Erilar wrote:[color=green]
>> "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message news:cchnb0Fjmu7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 08.11.2014 21:38, JohnT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. >>>>> Politics
>>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>>> Besides,
>>>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>>>
>>>>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar
>>>>> with Poilane.
>>>>
>>>> There is no such thing as "German" bread. Each region has different
>>>> kinds > of bread. In Bavaria bread often contains a lot of caraway, an
>>>> acquired > taste for me.
>>>
>>> IME almost all German Bread's an acquired taste for me. I like my bread
>>> to be soft and fluffy, not so dense you can use it as roof tiles.
>>>
>>> It may "taste" nicer than other countries bread but I just can't abide the texture
>>>[/color]
>> Oh, then you must like the tasteless white stuff they call "bread" in the
>> US?
>>
>>[/color]
>A lot of countries have "tasteless white stuff" bread. I've seen it in a
>French supermarket and think it was called "Pain pour toast". The
>British eat a lot of it too. It's common in the Outer Hebrides where it
>shipped from Glasgow and takes several days to come.[/color]

M&S in the Netherlands import it from UK. An English food shop that used to be
in Scheveningen said that imported from UK white sliced bread and toilet paper,
(not a lot of difference) were their best selling products.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




tim..... 16-11-2014 12.57.18

Re: escape
 

"Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
news:m47umc$4m7$1@dont-email.me...[color=blue]
> "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:[color=green]
>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
>> news:cchnb0Fjmu7U1@mid.individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>> On 08.11.2014 21:38, JohnT wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. >>>>>
>>>>>>> Politics
>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>> Besides,
>>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>>
>>>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar
>>>> with Poilane.
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as "German" bread. Each region has different
>>> kinds > of bread. In Bavaria bread often contains a lot of caraway, an
>>> acquired > taste for me.[/color]
>>
>> IME almost all German Bread's an acquired taste for me. I like my bread
>> to be soft and fluffy, not so dense you can use it as roof tiles.
>>
>> It may "taste" nicer than other countries bread but I just can't abide
>> the texture
>>[/color]
> Oh, then you must like the tasteless white stuff they call "bread" in the
> US?[/color]

I find it preferable to a slice of cardboard with taste, yes

tim




tim..... 16-11-2014 12.59.15

Re: escape
 

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:rnug6adrq3dsneds4lheovaasgj8c5secq@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:56:47 -0500, James Silverton
> <not.jim.silverton@verizon.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On 11/15/2014 11:23 AM, Erilar wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> "Tom P" <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote in message
>>>> news:cchnb0Fjmu7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 08.11.2014 21:38, JohnT wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>>>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Politics
>>>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>>>>> Besides,
>>>>>>> they have the best bread in the world!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not
>>>>>> familiar
>>>>>> with Poilane.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no such thing as "German" bread. Each region has different
>>>>> kinds > of bread. In Bavaria bread often contains a lot of caraway, an
>>>>> acquired > taste for me.
>>>>
>>>> IME almost all German Bread's an acquired taste for me. I like my
>>>> bread
>>>> to be soft and fluffy, not so dense you can use it as roof tiles.
>>>>
>>>> It may "taste" nicer than other countries bread but I just can't abide
>>>> the texture
>>>>
>>> Oh, then you must like the tasteless white stuff they call "bread" in
>>> the
>>> US?
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>A lot of countries have "tasteless white stuff" bread. I've seen it in a
>>French supermarket and think it was called "Pain pour toast". The
>>British eat a lot of it too. It's common in the Outer Hebrides where it
>>shipped from Glasgow and takes several days to come.[/color]
>
> M&S in the Netherlands import it from UK. An English food shop that used
> to be
> in Scheveningen said that imported from UK white sliced bread and toilet
> paper,
> (not a lot of difference) were their best selling products.[/color]

It's equally pointless [1] paying M&S prices for "staples" in the UK, but
many do

tim

[1] ignoring the possibility of differential travelling costs to alternative
suppliers





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