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Giovanni Drogo 10-11-2014 10.32.59

Re: escape
 
On Sat, 8 Nov 2014, tim..... wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> A certificate of life?[/color]
>
> You not come across this translation for "residency registration"
>
> The Italian "form" also translates as "permission to live" if you do it
> literally[/color]

I am not sure what you are talking of. The italian "permesso di
soggiorno" or german "Aufenthalterlaubnis" means rather literally
"permission to stay" (compare "soggiorno" with "sojourn").

We have (or had, I am not sure) a "certificato di esistenza in vita"
(lit. certificate of existence in life). It was the sort of the document
a pension fund paying a pension into a bank account would periodically
require to prove the recipient of the pension was still alive.
(if one did not want to show up at the bank counter in person).

Nowadays for relations between a citizen and the public administration,
or between offices of the public administration, it is sufficient to
sign a self-declaration ... it is actually forbidden to a public
administration office to require a certificate for an info they can
obtain directly from another office.

So certificates issued by the public administration can be requested
only by private organizations.

Of course all that is gold does not glitter, so I do not dare say that
things are THAT improved with things like the "informatic protocol" or
the PEC (certified e-mail, replacing registered letters).

Tom P 10-11-2014 11.59.22

Re: escape
 
On 08.11.2014 13:53, tim..... wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:jqnr5ahsskgq4lfg19tlpfct999ebiguvg@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:29:16 +0100, Tom P <werotizy@freent.dd> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On 07.11.2014 10:50, Martin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:18:32 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
>>>> <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany.
>>>>>>> Politics
>>>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's probably true - I've read about neo-nazis being on the
>>>>> increase.
>>>>
>>>> Not forgetting all the petty local officialdom.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of petty local officialdom are you thinking of? I find the
>>> local officials to be extremely fast and efficient. I got a certificate
>>> of life last week in two minutes flat, plus one minute to find a parking
>>> spot near the office.[/color]
>>
>> A certificate of life?[/color]
>
> You not come across this translation for "residency registration"
>
> The Italian "form" also translates as "permission to live" if you do it
> literally
>
> tim
>
>[/color]

I'm not talking about a residence permit. A life certificate is an
official proof that you are alive and not dead.


Tom P 10-11-2014 12.07.57

Re: escape
 
On 09.11.2014 23:26, ALittleRockInTheCosmos wrote:[color=blue]
> On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.[/color]
>>
>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax
>> at the same
>> time?[/color]
>
> As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
> income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
> year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.
>
> The biggest problem for American ex-pats these days is that the
> American tax authority - the IRS, Internal Revenue Service - has put
> the onus on banks where Americans have accounts to provide complete
> information on those accounts, no matter where the banks are.
> European banks have responded by either outright refusing to open
> accounts to American ex-pats, or severely curtailing the services on
> offer to those ex-pats.[/color]

If I understand correctly, the IRS doesn't understand the concept of tax
residence?


Martin 10-11-2014 15.36.26

Re: escape
 
On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:26:45 -0800, ALittleRockInTheCosmos <what@ga.wd> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.[/color]
>>
>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>> time?[/color]
>
>As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
>income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
>year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.[/color]

Who knows? :-)
[color=blue]
>
>The biggest problem for American ex-pats these days is that the
>American tax authority - the IRS, Internal Revenue Service - has put
>the onus on banks where Americans have accounts to provide complete
>information on those accounts, no matter where the banks are.
>European banks have responded by either outright refusing to open
>accounts to American ex-pats, or severely curtailing the services on
>offer to those ex-pats.[/color]

Part of the problem is that the USA doesn't have an avoidance of double taxation
agreement with Europe?
--

Martin in Zuid Holland




ALittleRockInTheCosmos 10-11-2014 15.39.46

Re: escape
 
On 11/10/2014 3:07 AM, Tom P wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 09.11.2014 23:26, ALittleRockInTheCosmos wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
>> income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
>> year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.
>>
>> The biggest problem for American ex-pats these days is that the
>> American tax authority - the IRS, Internal Revenue Service - has put
>> the onus on banks where Americans have accounts to provide complete
>> information on those accounts, no matter where the banks are.
>> European banks have responded by either outright refusing to open
>> accounts to American ex-pats, or severely curtailing the services on
>> offer to those ex-pats.[/color]
>
> If I understand correctly, the IRS doesn't understand the concept of tax
> residence?[/color]

The IRS sort of does. If a USA citizen is an ex-pat and files (submits
tax documents, forms, and payment if necessary) from non-USA address,
then the overseas status is documented, and the ex-pat will receive
the exemption.

Otherwise, though, the USA ex-pat is responsible for stating _all_
income subject to taxation worldwide, no matter where the residence.

The only escape from this is to become the citizen of another country
and renounce USA citizenship. It's happened.

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) 10-11-2014 19.26.07

Re: escape
 


JohnT wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:CuWdnWpcT_3aPsLJnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@earthlink.com...[color=green]
>>
>>
>> JohnT wrote:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> If Sara were the ONLY "right wing wacko", our freedoms might still
>> stand a chance![/color]
>
> The USA has always had more than its fair share of wackos of more than
> one political persuasion. Sarah wanted to stop your Country from being
> involved in squirmishes.[/color]

She's also a grade A moron opposed to women's rights!

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) 10-11-2014 19.35.31

Re: escape
 


ALittleRockInTheCosmos wrote:[color=blue]
> On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.[/color]
>>
>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax
>> at the same
>> time?[/color]
>
> As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
> income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
> year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.
>
> The biggest problem for American ex-pats these days is that the
> American tax authority - the IRS, Internal Revenue Service - has put
> the onus on banks where Americans have accounts to provide complete
> information on those accounts, no matter where the banks are.
> European banks have responded by either outright refusing to open
> accounts to American ex-pats, or severely curtailing the services on
> offer to those ex-pats.[/color]

Unfortunately, the only places I would WANT to live (Vienna, Brussels or
Paris) are too expensive for one with limited means. The same is true
for many places in the U.S., alas. Also, Medicare (and American brands
of medical insurance) do not cover me in Europe. That's a factor a
great many Americans don't realize until they need medical care abroad.
(The rest of the civilized world has medical coverage for all its
citizens, with reciprocal agreements in place for citizens who travel.)

Erilar 10-11-2014 20.50.39

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:26:45 -0800, ALittleRockInTheCosmos <what@ga.wd> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On 11/9/2014 12:57 AM, Martin wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:15:18 +0000 (UTC), Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>>
>>> Lived long term or just visited? Paid both German and US income tax at the same
>>> time?[/color]
>>
>> As a US ex-pat, one only pays income taxes to both countries if one's
>> income exceeds a certain threshold. This year, that amount for the full
>> year is $99,200. I doubt Erilar's income exceeds that threshold.[/color]
>
> Who knows? :-)
>[/color]
At the time I was a grad student on a fellowsip. I couldn't even afford to
eat in restaurants 8-)


--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 10-11-2014 20.50.39

Re: escape
 
"JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:CuWdnWpcT_3aPsLJnZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@earthlink.com...[color=green]
>>
>>
>> JohnT wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message >>
>>> news:m3lq45$97v$4@dont-email.me...[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>> At least they aren't paralyzing the government like our right-wing >>> wackos.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Does one read into this that Erilar isn't totally in favour of Ms Palin?[/color]
>>
>> If Sara were the ONLY "right wing wacko", our freedoms might still stand a > chance![/color]
>
> The USA has always had more than its fair share of wackos of more than
> one political persuasion. Sarah wanted to stop your Country from being
> involved in squirmishes.[/color]

"Squirmish" is how I feel about her.

--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

Erilar 10-11-2014 20.50.40

Re: escape
 
Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2014 20:38:58 -0000, "JohnT" <spamnot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Erilar" <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote in message
>> news:m3lq46$97v$5@dont-email.me...[color=darkred]
>>> Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC), Erilar
>>>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The election results are in. i really want to move to Germany. Politics
>>>>> strike me as more rational there.
>>>>
>>>> Only because you don't live in Germany.
>>>
>>> Ah, but I follow events there and I HAVE lived there in the past.
>>> Besides,
>>> they have the best bread in the world![/color]
>>
>> Some German bread is tolerably good. I assume that you are not familiar with
>> Poilane.[/color]
>
> and didn't eat French bread as a matter of principle.[/color]

A fresh baguette is good, but on my lone French trip I eas more often
offered stale pieces.
--
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad


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