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Vecchio 25-10-2005, 23.10.02
tile
 
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Wilbur Slice wrote:[color=blue]
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:16:49 -0500, "Cord King"
> <pking0222@charter.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Hi!
>>
>> My husband and I have just booked our first trip to Italy for July
>> 2006. We are spending 3 nights in Rome, 3 nights in Florence, and 3
>> nights in Venice. We know we want to take a tour of the Vatican
>> Museum while in Rome. In Florence we want to take some side trips
>> to wineries. In Venice I definitely want to go the Murano Glass
>> factory.
>>
>> Any advice or recommendations for things to do, private tour
>> operators, restaurants, etc. would be appreciated. We will not have
>> a car...we are using Eurostar to get between the cities.[/color]
>
>
> Personally, I would spend 4 nights in Rome, 3 in Florence and 2 in
> Venice. Venice is very nice, but more expensive and smaller, with
> less to see than Rome. Rome is, after all, Rome.
>
> Especially in Florence and Venice, to see the museums, make your
> reservations ahead of time over the internet - then when you get
> there, you can walk past the incredibly long lines of tourists waiting
> to get in who spend all afternoon waiting in line, and you walk up to
> the side entrance at the appointed time and walk right in. MUCH
> better way to do it.
>
> Also - if you're hikers, consider the Cinque Terra - there are 5
> little villages clinging to the steep coastline and there's a hiking
> path between them. It's an all-day hike, but it's well worth it.[/color]

I agree that Rome is Rome..
and even 30 days would not be enough to visit the town and its monuments.

But being the first trip..
I agree it is wise to see as much as possible in the three towns.
yes. Venice is a small town.. but visiting the church of San Marco and
looking at its 10.000 square metres of mosaics ( roughly 100.000 square
feet.. )
its treasures
will take you at least half day.
then again.. The Doge Palace will take you another day..
going to the islands..another full day..
strolling along the streets.. trying to visit the churches. the palaces..
how many days ??
let two days be enough
i would say two days are also enough for Florence ( for the first time )
stay in Rome as much as possible. but if you can spare a couple of days
visit Naples.. Capri and Pompei. ( OPLONTIS:: Poppea's villa. is only a few
miles away.. a train stop.. )

the big problem in rome will be Musei Vaticani..
it is the most frequented museum in Italy. there are normally huge lines.
and I do not know if you can buy tkts in advance.
In Florence you can buy tkts in advance for The Uffizi..

you can easily move in Italy by train..
In rome and Florence there is a tourist bus London Style that for a modest
fee makes the tour of the towns.
but of course the offer of tours is enormous.

so roughly
Venice is 3 hours away from Florence

Florence is 2 hours away from Rome

Rome is 2 hours away from Naples.

I am saying roughly.. depending on the trains.
the price of train tickets in Italy is reasonable.
have a look at
[url]www.trenitalia.it[/url]

with special offers as well..

roughly a good hotel will cost about 100 eur/night including continental
breakfast.
of course. it depends on the season..
a good meal will cost you anything between 15 and 35 eur per person
including wine


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  #22  
Vecchio 25-10-2005, 23.43.20
Wilbur Slice
 
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:07:12 GMT, "Cesar" <Cesar.Neri@comcast.net>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Go Fig" <gofig@mac.com> wrote in message
>news:251020051200118867%gofig@mac.com...[color=green]
>> In article <UTs7f.19851$E17.3003@fe03.lga>, Cord King
>> <pking0222@charter.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> My husband and I have just booked our first trip to Italy for July 2006.
>>> We
>>> are spending 3 nights in Rome, 3 nights in Florence, and 3 nights in
>>> Venice.
>>> We know we want to take a tour of the Vatican Museum while in Rome.[/color]
>>
>> This is for the official tour, you will *** the line that can be hours
>> long. The reservation is by FAX only.
>>
>> [url]http://mv.vatican.va/3_EN/pages/z-Info/MV_Info_Servizi_Visite.html[/url]
>>
>> ***
>> Tue Oct 25, 2005
>> mailto:gofig@mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> In
>>> Florence we want to take some side trips to wineries. In Venice I
>>> definitely want to go the Murano Glass factory.
>>>
>>> Any advice or recommendations for things to do, private tour operators,
>>> restaurants, etc. would be appreciated. We will not have a car...we are
>>> using Eurostar to get between the cities.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patty
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>I agree that these guided tours toe the Vatican Museum/Sistine Chapel
>provide the extra convenience that you are allowed to enter about half hour
>before the gates open to the general public. In my particular case, I was
>waiting in line just like everybody else and this elderly woman starting
>recruiting about 10 people for a private tour. You would have to pay her the
>price of admission plus a small fee for her services.[/color]

Interesting. I was told that conducting for-profit business within the
Vatican is pretty much forbidden.
[color=blue]
>She was a school
>teacher wanting to make some extra income. It was well worth it because we
>were allowed to enter before the gate opened to the public and we made a
>B-line to the Sistine Chapel and we were able to admire it with not a lot of
>people around. The only disappointment is that they don't allow cameras or
>video cameras at the Chapel.[/color]

That's because Fuji owns the rights to the Sistine Chapel. Seriously.
They paid for the restoration.
[color=blue]
> I noticed one guy who had a videocam was even
>told to put on the lens cap so he could not "sneak in" any shots.[/color]

You can't really get decent pics of the Sistine Chapel anyway with a
snapshot camera. If you want good representations of the artwork
there, buy the books.
[color=blue]
> Anyway, I
>don't know how common this is for private guides to just recruit customers
>at the waiting line.
>[/color]
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  #23  
Vecchio 25-10-2005, 23.43.20
Wilbur Slice
 
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:07:12 GMT, "Cesar" <Cesar.Neri@comcast.net>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Go Fig" <gofig@mac.com> wrote in message
>news:251020051200118867%gofig@mac.com...[color=green]
>> In article <UTs7f.19851$E17.3003@fe03.lga>, Cord King
>> <pking0222@charter.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> My husband and I have just booked our first trip to Italy for July 2006.
>>> We
>>> are spending 3 nights in Rome, 3 nights in Florence, and 3 nights in
>>> Venice.
>>> We know we want to take a tour of the Vatican Museum while in Rome.[/color]
>>
>> This is for the official tour, you will *** the line that can be hours
>> long. The reservation is by FAX only.
>>
>> [url]http://mv.vatican.va/3_EN/pages/z-Info/MV_Info_Servizi_Visite.html[/url]
>>
>> ***
>> Tue Oct 25, 2005
>> mailto:gofig@mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> In
>>> Florence we want to take some side trips to wineries. In Venice I
>>> definitely want to go the Murano Glass factory.
>>>
>>> Any advice or recommendations for things to do, private tour operators,
>>> restaurants, etc. would be appreciated. We will not have a car...we are
>>> using Eurostar to get between the cities.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patty
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>I agree that these guided tours toe the Vatican Museum/Sistine Chapel
>provide the extra convenience that you are allowed to enter about half hour
>before the gates open to the general public. In my particular case, I was
>waiting in line just like everybody else and this elderly woman starting
>recruiting about 10 people for a private tour. You would have to pay her the
>price of admission plus a small fee for her services.[/color]

Interesting. I was told that conducting for-profit business within the
Vatican is pretty much forbidden.
[color=blue]
>She was a school
>teacher wanting to make some extra income. It was well worth it because we
>were allowed to enter before the gate opened to the public and we made a
>B-line to the Sistine Chapel and we were able to admire it with not a lot of
>people around. The only disappointment is that they don't allow cameras or
>video cameras at the Chapel.[/color]

That's because Fuji owns the rights to the Sistine Chapel. Seriously.
They paid for the restoration.
[color=blue]
> I noticed one guy who had a videocam was even
>told to put on the lens cap so he could not "sneak in" any shots.[/color]

You can't really get decent pics of the Sistine Chapel anyway with a
snapshot camera. If you want good representations of the artwork
there, buy the books.
[color=blue]
> Anyway, I
>don't know how common this is for private guides to just recruit customers
>at the waiting line.
>[/color]
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  #24  
Vecchio 25-10-2005, 23.43.20
Wilbur Slice
 
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:07:12 GMT, "Cesar" <Cesar.Neri@comcast.net>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Go Fig" <gofig@mac.com> wrote in message
>news:251020051200118867%gofig@mac.com...[color=green]
>> In article <UTs7f.19851$E17.3003@fe03.lga>, Cord King
>> <pking0222@charter.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> My husband and I have just booked our first trip to Italy for July 2006.
>>> We
>>> are spending 3 nights in Rome, 3 nights in Florence, and 3 nights in
>>> Venice.
>>> We know we want to take a tour of the Vatican Museum while in Rome.[/color]
>>
>> This is for the official tour, you will *** the line that can be hours
>> long. The reservation is by FAX only.
>>
>> [url]http://mv.vatican.va/3_EN/pages/z-Info/MV_Info_Servizi_Visite.html[/url]
>>
>> ***
>> Tue Oct 25, 2005
>> mailto:gofig@mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> In
>>> Florence we want to take some side trips to wineries. In Venice I
>>> definitely want to go the Murano Glass factory.
>>>
>>> Any advice or recommendations for things to do, private tour operators,
>>> restaurants, etc. would be appreciated. We will not have a car...we are
>>> using Eurostar to get between the cities.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patty
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>I agree that these guided tours toe the Vatican Museum/Sistine Chapel
>provide the extra convenience that you are allowed to enter about half hour
>before the gates open to the general public. In my particular case, I was
>waiting in line just like everybody else and this elderly woman starting
>recruiting about 10 people for a private tour. You would have to pay her the
>price of admission plus a small fee for her services.[/color]

Interesting. I was told that conducting for-profit business within the
Vatican is pretty much forbidden.
[color=blue]
>She was a school
>teacher wanting to make some extra income. It was well worth it because we
>were allowed to enter before the gate opened to the public and we made a
>B-line to the Sistine Chapel and we were able to admire it with not a lot of
>people around. The only disappointment is that they don't allow cameras or
>video cameras at the Chapel.[/color]

That's because Fuji owns the rights to the Sistine Chapel. Seriously.
They paid for the restoration.
[color=blue]
> I noticed one guy who had a videocam was even
>told to put on the lens cap so he could not "sneak in" any shots.[/color]

You can't really get decent pics of the Sistine Chapel anyway with a
snapshot camera. If you want good representations of the artwork
there, buy the books.
[color=blue]
> Anyway, I
>don't know how common this is for private guides to just recruit customers
>at the waiting line.
>[/color]
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Vecchio 25-10-2005, 23.43.20
Wilbur Slice
 
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:07:12 GMT, "Cesar" <Cesar.Neri@comcast.net>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Go Fig" <gofig@mac.com> wrote in message
>news:251020051200118867%gofig@mac.com...[color=green]
>> In article <UTs7f.19851$E17.3003@fe03.lga>, Cord King
>> <pking0222@charter.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> My husband and I have just booked our first trip to Italy for July 2006.
>>> We
>>> are spending 3 nights in Rome, 3 nights in Florence, and 3 nights in
>>> Venice.
>>> We know we want to take a tour of the Vatican Museum while in Rome.[/color]
>>
>> This is for the official tour, you will *** the line that can be hours
>> long. The reservation is by FAX only.
>>
>> [url]http://mv.vatican.va/3_EN/pages/z-Info/MV_Info_Servizi_Visite.html[/url]
>>
>> ***
>> Tue Oct 25, 2005
>> mailto:gofig@mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> In
>>> Florence we want to take some side trips to wineries. In Venice I
>>> definitely want to go the Murano Glass factory.
>>>
>>> Any advice or recommendations for things to do, private tour operators,
>>> restaurants, etc. would be appreciated. We will not have a car...we are
>>> using Eurostar to get between the cities.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patty
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>I agree that these guided tours toe the Vatican Museum/Sistine Chapel
>provide the extra convenience that you are allowed to enter about half hour
>before the gates open to the general public. In my particular case, I was
>waiting in line just like everybody else and this elderly woman starting
>recruiting about 10 people for a private tour. You would have to pay her the
>price of admission plus a small fee for her services.[/color]

Interesting. I was told that conducting for-profit business within the
Vatican is pretty much forbidden.
[color=blue]
>She was a school
>teacher wanting to make some extra income. It was well worth it because we
>were allowed to enter before the gate opened to the public and we made a
>B-line to the Sistine Chapel and we were able to admire it with not a lot of
>people around. The only disappointment is that they don't allow cameras or
>video cameras at the Chapel.[/color]

That's because Fuji owns the rights to the Sistine Chapel. Seriously.
They paid for the restoration.
[color=blue]
> I noticed one guy who had a videocam was even
>told to put on the lens cap so he could not "sneak in" any shots.[/color]

You can't really get decent pics of the Sistine Chapel anyway with a
snapshot camera. If you want good representations of the artwork
there, buy the books.
[color=blue]
> Anyway, I
>don't know how common this is for private guides to just recruit customers
>at the waiting line.
>[/color]
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Vecchio 25-10-2005, 23.44.35
Wilbur Slice
 
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:10:02 GMT, "tile" <supertile@libero.it> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Wilbur Slice wrote:[color=green]
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:16:49 -0500, "Cord King"
>> <pking0222@charter.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> My husband and I have just booked our first trip to Italy for July
>>> 2006. We are spending 3 nights in Rome, 3 nights in Florence, and 3
>>> nights in Venice. We know we want to take a tour of the Vatican
>>> Museum while in Rome. In Florence we want to take some side trips
>>> to wineries. In Venice I definitely want to go the Murano Glass
>>> factory.
>>>
>>> Any advice or recommendations for things to do, private tour
>>> operators, restaurants, etc. would be appreciated. We will not have
>>> a car...we are using Eurostar to get between the cities.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Personally, I would spend 4 nights in Rome, 3 in Florence and 2 in
>> Venice. Venice is very nice, but more expensive and smaller, with
>> less to see than Rome. Rome is, after all, Rome.
>>
>> Especially in Florence and Venice, to see the museums, make your
>> reservations ahead of time over the internet - then when you get
>> there, you can walk past the incredibly long lines of tourists waiting
>> to get in who spend all afternoon waiting in line, and you walk up to
>> the side entrance at the appointed time and walk right in. MUCH
>> better way to do it.
>>
>> Also - if you're hikers, consider the Cinque Terra - there are 5
>> little villages clinging to the steep coastline and there's a hiking
>> path between them. It's an all-day hike, but it's well worth it.[/color]
>
>I agree that Rome is Rome..
>and even 30 days would not be enough to visit the town and its monuments.
>
>But being the first trip..
>I agree it is wise to see as much as possible in the three towns.
>yes. Venice is a small town.. but visiting the church of San Marco and
>looking at its 10.000 square metres of mosaics ( roughly 100.000 square
>feet.. )
>its treasures
>will take you at least half day.
>then again.. The Doge Palace will take you another day..
>going to the islands..another full day..
>strolling along the streets.. trying to visit the churches. the palaces..
>how many days ??
>let two days be enough
>i would say two days are also enough for Florence ( for the first time )[/color]

Yeah, I would agree about Florence, too (for the first time - but I'd
actually like to live there for a year or so...) but I didn't rcommend
cutting back there because the OP wanted to do a day trip to wineries
as well. I think that could be a good use of a day.
[color=blue]
>stay in Rome as much as possible. but if you can spare a couple of days
>visit Naples.. Capri and Pompei. ( OPLONTIS:: Poppea's villa. is only a few
>miles away.. a train stop.. )[/color]

Those are cool places, but like you said - if it's a first time trip,
I'd pass on them. I think the best way to see Capri is to rent a
villa there for a week or so. If you just go for a day, all you're
going to see is the hucksters on the boats outside the Blue Grotto.
[color=blue]
>
>the big problem in rome will be Musei Vaticani..
>it is the most frequented museum in Italy. there are normally huge lines.
>and I do not know if you can buy tkts in advance.
>In Florence you can buy tkts in advance for The Uffizi..[/color]

You can buy Vatican tickets in advance. And you can for the Uffizi
and the Academia in Florence as well, but IIRC you can't buy advance
tickets for them IN FLORENCE - you have to do it beforehand. We got
ours over the internet before we left the states.
[color=blue]
>
>you can easily move in Italy by train..
>In rome and Florence there is a tourist bus London Style that for a modest
>fee makes the tour of the towns.
>but of course the offer of tours is enormous.[/color]

We got a good tour of the Forum and the Vatican in Rome just by
wandering around the forum looking like lost tourists (beware of the
Gypsy kids, they'll rob you blind). An American college student came
up to us and invited us to join his free tour of the Forum and to join
a paid tour of the Vatican later that day. The cost of the tour was
minimal, and the tour was conducted by young American students who
were living and studying in Rome.

[color=blue]
>
>so roughly
>Venice is 3 hours away from Florence[/color]

The train trip from Rome to Florence and then Florence to Venice was
very cool - through the beautiful Appenine mountains.
[color=blue]
>
>Florence is 2 hours away from Rome
>
>Rome is 2 hours away from Naples.
>
>I am saying roughly.. depending on the trains.
>the price of train tickets in Italy is reasonable.
>have a look at
>[url]www.trenitalia.it[/url]
>
>with special offers as well..
>
>roughly a good hotel will cost about 100 eur/night including continental
>breakfast.
>of course. it depends on the season..
>a good meal will cost you anything between 15 and 35 eur per person
>including wine
>[/color]
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Vecchio 25-10-2005, 23.44.35
Wilbur Slice
 
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Predefinito Re: First Trip to Italy

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:10:02 GMT, "tile" <supertile@libero.it> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Wilbur Slice wrote:[color=green]
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:16:49 -0500, "Cord King"
>> <pking0222@charter.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> My husband and I have just booked our first trip to Italy for July
>>> 2006. We are spending 3 nights in Rome, 3 nights in Florence, and 3
>>> nights in Venice. We know we want to take a tour of the Vatican
>>> Museum while in Rome. In Florence we want to take some side trips
>>> to wineries. In Venice I definitely want to go the Murano Glass
>>> factory.
>>>
>>> Any advice or recommendations for things to do, private tour
>>> operators, restaurants, etc. would be appreciated. We will not have
>>> a car...we are using Eurostar to get between the cities.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Personally, I would spend 4 nights in Rome, 3 in Florence and 2 in
>> Venice. Venice is very nice, but more expensive and smaller, with
>> less to see than Rome. Rome is, after all, Rome.
>>
>> Especially in Florence and Venice, to see the museums, make your
>> reservations ahead of time over the internet - then when you get
>> there, you can walk past the incredibly long lines of tourists waiting
>> to get in who spend all afternoon waiting in line, and you walk up to
>> the side entrance at the appointed time and walk right in. MUCH
>> better way to do it.
>>
>> Also - if you're hikers, consider the Cinque Terra - there are 5
>> little villages clinging to the steep coastline and there's a hiking
>> path between them. It's an all-day hike, but it's well worth it.[/color]
>
>I agree that Rome is Rome..
>and even 30 days would not be enough to visit the town and its monuments.
>
>But being the first trip..
>I agree it is wise to see as much as possible in the three towns.
>yes. Venice is a small town.. but visiting the church of San Marco and
>looking at its 10.000 square metres of mosaics ( roughly 100.000 square
>feet.. )
>its treasures
>will take you at least half day.
>then again.. The Doge Palace will take you another day..
>going to the islands..another full day..
>strolling along the streets.. trying to visit the churches. the palaces..
>how many days ??
>let two days be enough
>i would say two days are also enough for Florence ( for the first time )[/color]

Yeah, I would agree about Florence, too (for the first time - but I'd
actually like to live there for a year or so...) but I didn't rcommend
cutting back there because the OP wanted to do a day trip to wineries
as well. I think that could be a good use of a day.
[color=blue]
>stay in Rome as much as possible. but if you can spare a couple of days
>visit Naples.. Capri and Pompei. ( OPLONTIS:: Poppea's villa. is only a few
>miles away.. a train stop.. )[/color]

Those are cool places, but like you said - if it's a first time trip,
I'd pass on them. I think the best way to see Capri is to rent a
villa there for a week or so. If you just go for a day, all you're
going to see is the hucksters on the boats outside the Blue Grotto.
[color=blue]
>
>the big problem in rome will be Musei Vaticani..
>it is the most frequented museum in Italy. there are normally huge lines.
>and I do not know if you can buy tkts in advance.
>In Florence you can buy tkts in advance for The Uffizi..[/color]

You can buy Vatican tickets in advance. And you can for the Uffizi
and the Academia in Florence as well, but IIRC you can't buy advance
tickets for them IN FLORENCE - you have to do it beforehand. We got
ours over the internet before we left the states.
[color=blue]
>
>you can easily move in Italy by train..
>In rome and Florence there is a tourist bus London Style that for a modest
>fee makes the tour of the towns.
>but of course the offer of tours is enormous.[/color]

We got a good tour of the Forum and the Vatican in Rome just by
wandering around the forum looking like lost tourists (beware of the
Gypsy kids, they'll rob you blind). An American college student came
up to us and invited us to join his free tour of the Forum and to join
a paid tour of the Vatican later that day. The cost of the tour was
minimal, and the tour was conducted by young American students who
were living and studying in Rome.

[color=blue]
>
>so roughly
>Venice is 3 hours away from Florence[/color]

The train trip from Rome to Florence and then Florence to Venice was
very cool - through the beautiful Appenine mountains.
[color=blue]
>
>Florence is 2 hours away from Rome
>
>Rome is 2 hours away from Naples.
>
>I am saying roughly.. depending on the trains.
>the price of train tickets in Italy is reasonable.
>have a look at
>[url]www.trenitalia.it[/url]
>
>with special offers as well..
>
>roughly a good hotel will cost about 100 eur/night including continental
>breakfast.
>of course. it depends on the season..
>a good meal will cost you anything between 15 and 35 eur per person
>including wine
>[/color]
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Vecchio 25-10-2005, 23.44.35
Wilbur Slice
 
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:10:02 GMT, "tile" <supertile@libero.it> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Wilbur Slice wrote:[color=green]
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:16:49 -0500, "Cord King"
>> <pking0222@charter.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> My husband and I have just booked our first trip to Italy for July
>>> 2006. We are spending 3 nights in Rome, 3 nights in Florence, and 3
>>> nights in Venice. We know we want to take a tour of the Vatican
>>> Museum while in Rome. In Florence we want to take some side trips
>>> to wineries. In Venice I definitely want to go the Murano Glass
>>> factory.
>>>
>>> Any advice or recommendations for things to do, private tour
>>> operators, restaurants, etc. would be appreciated. We will not have
>>> a car...we are using Eurostar to get between the cities.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Personally, I would spend 4 nights in Rome, 3 in Florence and 2 in
>> Venice. Venice is very nice, but more expensive and smaller, with
>> less to see than Rome. Rome is, after all, Rome.
>>
>> Especially in Florence and Venice, to see the museums, make your
>> reservations ahead of time over the internet - then when you get
>> there, you can walk past the incredibly long lines of tourists waiting
>> to get in who spend all afternoon waiting in line, and you walk up to
>> the side entrance at the appointed time and walk right in. MUCH
>> better way to do it.
>>
>> Also - if you're hikers, consider the Cinque Terra - there are 5
>> little villages clinging to the steep coastline and there's a hiking
>> path between them. It's an all-day hike, but it's well worth it.[/color]
>
>I agree that Rome is Rome..
>and even 30 days would not be enough to visit the town and its monuments.
>
>But being the first trip..
>I agree it is wise to see as much as possible in the three towns.
>yes. Venice is a small town.. but visiting the church of San Marco and
>looking at its 10.000 square metres of mosaics ( roughly 100.000 square
>feet.. )
>its treasures
>will take you at least half day.
>then again.. The Doge Palace will take you another day..
>going to the islands..another full day..
>strolling along the streets.. trying to visit the churches. the palaces..
>how many days ??
>let two days be enough
>i would say two days are also enough for Florence ( for the first time )[/color]

Yeah, I would agree about Florence, too (for the first time - but I'd
actually like to live there for a year or so...) but I didn't rcommend
cutting back there because the OP wanted to do a day trip to wineries
as well. I think that could be a good use of a day.
[color=blue]
>stay in Rome as much as possible. but if you can spare a couple of days
>visit Naples.. Capri and Pompei. ( OPLONTIS:: Poppea's villa. is only a few
>miles away.. a train stop.. )[/color]

Those are cool places, but like you said - if it's a first time trip,
I'd pass on them. I think the best way to see Capri is to rent a
villa there for a week or so. If you just go for a day, all you're
going to see is the hucksters on the boats outside the Blue Grotto.
[color=blue]
>
>the big problem in rome will be Musei Vaticani..
>it is the most frequented museum in Italy. there are normally huge lines.
>and I do not know if you can buy tkts in advance.
>In Florence you can buy tkts in advance for The Uffizi..[/color]

You can buy Vatican tickets in advance. And you can for the Uffizi
and the Academia in Florence as well, but IIRC you can't buy advance
tickets for them IN FLORENCE - you have to do it beforehand. We got
ours over the internet before we left the states.
[color=blue]
>
>you can easily move in Italy by train..
>In rome and Florence there is a tourist bus London Style that for a modest
>fee makes the tour of the towns.
>but of course the offer of tours is enormous.[/color]

We got a good tour of the Forum and the Vatican in Rome just by
wandering around the forum looking like lost tourists (beware of the
Gypsy kids, they'll rob you blind). An American college student came
up to us and invited us to join his free tour of the Forum and to join
a paid tour of the Vatican later that day. The cost of the tour was
minimal, and the tour was conducted by young American students who
were living and studying in Rome.

[color=blue]
>
>so roughly
>Venice is 3 hours away from Florence[/color]

The train trip from Rome to Florence and then Florence to Venice was
very cool - through the beautiful Appenine mountains.
[color=blue]
>
>Florence is 2 hours away from Rome
>
>Rome is 2 hours away from Naples.
>
>I am saying roughly.. depending on the trains.
>the price of train tickets in Italy is reasonable.
>have a look at
>[url]www.trenitalia.it[/url]
>
>with special offers as well..
>
>roughly a good hotel will cost about 100 eur/night including continental
>breakfast.
>of course. it depends on the season..
>a good meal will cost you anything between 15 and 35 eur per person
>including wine
>[/color]
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Vecchio 25-10-2005, 23.44.35
Wilbur Slice
 
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:10:02 GMT, "tile" <supertile@libero.it> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Wilbur Slice wrote:[color=green]
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:16:49 -0500, "Cord King"
>> <pking0222@charter.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> My husband and I have just booked our first trip to Italy for July
>>> 2006. We are spending 3 nights in Rome, 3 nights in Florence, and 3
>>> nights in Venice. We know we want to take a tour of the Vatican
>>> Museum while in Rome. In Florence we want to take some side trips
>>> to wineries. In Venice I definitely want to go the Murano Glass
>>> factory.
>>>
>>> Any advice or recommendations for things to do, private tour
>>> operators, restaurants, etc. would be appreciated. We will not have
>>> a car...we are using Eurostar to get between the cities.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Personally, I would spend 4 nights in Rome, 3 in Florence and 2 in
>> Venice. Venice is very nice, but more expensive and smaller, with
>> less to see than Rome. Rome is, after all, Rome.
>>
>> Especially in Florence and Venice, to see the museums, make your
>> reservations ahead of time over the internet - then when you get
>> there, you can walk past the incredibly long lines of tourists waiting
>> to get in who spend all afternoon waiting in line, and you walk up to
>> the side entrance at the appointed time and walk right in. MUCH
>> better way to do it.
>>
>> Also - if you're hikers, consider the Cinque Terra - there are 5
>> little villages clinging to the steep coastline and there's a hiking
>> path between them. It's an all-day hike, but it's well worth it.[/color]
>
>I agree that Rome is Rome..
>and even 30 days would not be enough to visit the town and its monuments.
>
>But being the first trip..
>I agree it is wise to see as much as possible in the three towns.
>yes. Venice is a small town.. but visiting the church of San Marco and
>looking at its 10.000 square metres of mosaics ( roughly 100.000 square
>feet.. )
>its treasures
>will take you at least half day.
>then again.. The Doge Palace will take you another day..
>going to the islands..another full day..
>strolling along the streets.. trying to visit the churches. the palaces..
>how many days ??
>let two days be enough
>i would say two days are also enough for Florence ( for the first time )[/color]

Yeah, I would agree about Florence, too (for the first time - but I'd
actually like to live there for a year or so...) but I didn't rcommend
cutting back there because the OP wanted to do a day trip to wineries
as well. I think that could be a good use of a day.
[color=blue]
>stay in Rome as much as possible. but if you can spare a couple of days
>visit Naples.. Capri and Pompei. ( OPLONTIS:: Poppea's villa. is only a few
>miles away.. a train stop.. )[/color]

Those are cool places, but like you said - if it's a first time trip,
I'd pass on them. I think the best way to see Capri is to rent a
villa there for a week or so. If you just go for a day, all you're
going to see is the hucksters on the boats outside the Blue Grotto.
[color=blue]
>
>the big problem in rome will be Musei Vaticani..
>it is the most frequented museum in Italy. there are normally huge lines.
>and I do not know if you can buy tkts in advance.
>In Florence you can buy tkts in advance for The Uffizi..[/color]

You can buy Vatican tickets in advance. And you can for the Uffizi
and the Academia in Florence as well, but IIRC you can't buy advance
tickets for them IN FLORENCE - you have to do it beforehand. We got
ours over the internet before we left the states.
[color=blue]
>
>you can easily move in Italy by train..
>In rome and Florence there is a tourist bus London Style that for a modest
>fee makes the tour of the towns.
>but of course the offer of tours is enormous.[/color]

We got a good tour of the Forum and the Vatican in Rome just by
wandering around the forum looking like lost tourists (beware of the
Gypsy kids, they'll rob you blind). An American college student came
up to us and invited us to join his free tour of the Forum and to join
a paid tour of the Vatican later that day. The cost of the tour was
minimal, and the tour was conducted by young American students who
were living and studying in Rome.

[color=blue]
>
>so roughly
>Venice is 3 hours away from Florence[/color]

The train trip from Rome to Florence and then Florence to Venice was
very cool - through the beautiful Appenine mountains.
[color=blue]
>
>Florence is 2 hours away from Rome
>
>Rome is 2 hours away from Naples.
>
>I am saying roughly.. depending on the trains.
>the price of train tickets in Italy is reasonable.
>have a look at
>[url]www.trenitalia.it[/url]
>
>with special offers as well..
>
>roughly a good hotel will cost about 100 eur/night including continental
>breakfast.
>of course. it depends on the season..
>a good meal will cost you anything between 15 and 35 eur per person
>including wine
>[/color]
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Vecchio 26-10-2005, 00.07.12
Cesar
 
Messaggi: n/a
Predefinito Re: First Trip to Italy


"Go Fig" <gofig@mac.com> wrote in message
news:251020051200118867%gofig@mac.com...[color=blue]
> In article <UTs7f.19851$E17.3003@fe03.lga>, Cord King
> <pking0222@charter.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Hi!
>>
>> My husband and I have just booked our first trip to Italy for July 2006.
>> We
>> are spending 3 nights in Rome, 3 nights in Florence, and 3 nights in
>> Venice.
>> We know we want to take a tour of the Vatican Museum while in Rome.[/color]
>
> This is for the official tour, you will *** the line that can be hours
> long. The reservation is by FAX only.
>
> [url]http://mv.vatican.va/3_EN/pages/z-Info/MV_Info_Servizi_Visite.html[/url]
>
> ***
> Tue Oct 25, 2005
> mailto:gofig@mac.com
>
>
>
>
>[color=green]
>> In
>> Florence we want to take some side trips to wineries. In Venice I
>> definitely want to go the Murano Glass factory.
>>
>> Any advice or recommendations for things to do, private tour operators,
>> restaurants, etc. would be appreciated. We will not have a car...we are
>> using Eurostar to get between the cities.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Patty
>>
>>[/color][/color]
I agree that these guided tours toe the Vatican Museum/Sistine Chapel
provide the extra convenience that you are allowed to enter about half hour
before the gates open to the general public. In my particular case, I was
waiting in line just like everybody else and this elderly woman starting
recruiting about 10 people for a private tour. You would have to pay her the
price of admission plus a small fee for her services. She was a school
teacher wanting to make some extra income. It was well worth it because we
were allowed to enter before the gate opened to the public and we made a
B-line to the Sistine Chapel and we were able to admire it with not a lot of
people around. The only disappointment is that they don't allow cameras or
video cameras at the Chapel. I noticed one guy who had a videocam was even
told to put on the lens cap so he could not "sneak in" any shots. Anyway, I
don't know how common this is for private guides to just recruit customers
at the waiting line.


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